TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

[pt_mad]

Yep for definite it's so we can get more high speed braking in to prepare the brakes for the dynamic braking tests on Thursday night

Is it planned to do the afternoon return from Bletchley in the near future?

 

[driver9000]

Yep for definite it's so we can get more high speed braking in to prepare the brakes for the dynamic braking tests on Thursday night

Cool, if it's going to Carlisle I'll see you at Beckfoot on the southbound run.

 

[driver9000]

Bletchley -- http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93192/2018/08/29/advanced

Both are shown as runs as required but one will be made firm before morning!

It gets confusing as they seem to constantly switch between active and Runs as required, hard to know what is definitely going on with the runs after a few false starts.

 

[Erniescooper]

Is it planned to do the afternoon return from Bletchley in the near future?

There will be tests every day next week and 2 sets out later in the week but not sure of the diagrams yet

 

[pt_mad]

There will be tests every day next week and 2 sets out later in the week but not sure of the diagrams yet

This is the diagram I am wondering about. It's in the timetable until November 1622 at Crewe:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93194/2018/08/30/advanced

Surely that must be the return diagram if it goes down to Bletchley from Manchesywr and then Carlisle in the morning?

Surely this must be the return diagram if it's been up to Carlisle in the morning and worked down from there?

 

[sprinterguy]

The DT looks fine... the TPE livery really doesn't flatter the 68s though!

I'm of the opposite opinion: The duck-billed Driving Trailers look incongruous with the sleek cab above bufferbeam level, while IMO the TPE livery really suits the modern styling of class 68 cab ends.

 

[Erniescooper]

This is the diagram I am wondering about. It's in the timetable until November 1622 at Crewe:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93194/2018/08/30/advanced

Surely that must be the return diagram if it goes down to Bletchley from Manchesywr and then Carlisle in the morning?

Surely this must be the return diagram if it's been up to Carlisle in the morning and worked down from there?

If all had gone to plan it would have been used last week but it looks like it is planned to be used further into September

 

[driver9000]

This is the diagram I am wondering about. It's in the timetable until November 1622 at Crewe:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93194/2018/08/30/advanced

Surely that must be the return diagram if it goes down to Bletchley from Manchesywr and then Carlisle in the morning?

Surely this must be the return diagram if it's been up to Carlisle in the morning and worked down from there?

It goes up to Carlisle from Manchester at 05:15 and leaves Carlisle at 08:12 to Bletchley.

 

[The_Engineer]

From the post from the man in the know:

There is a change of plan for tomorrow and the test train will be running to Carlisle instead of Bletchley

…..you will see it is Carlisle and back tomorrow. Not going to Bletchley.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93195/2018/08/29/advanced

 

[dilbertphil]

. On Sat/Sun between 2100 and 0510 9 trains were cancelled at Huddersfield mostly due to crewing issues. I understand that some drivers are refusing to work rest days.[/QUOTE]

Well you understand wrongly. No drivers are refusing to work rest days they are just having days off as they are perfectly entitled to. There are simply not enough drivers to cover the work and the blame lays squarely at the companies door. To keep to the thread though it's great to see the Mark 5a and 68 finally out, though from what I hear it may be Nov/Dec before it actually goes into service.

 

[CAF397]

Cool, if it's going to Carlisle I'll see you at Beckfoot on the southbound run.

Hopefully I’ll pass it around Clifton & Lowther whilst heading north.

 

[Jonny]

Is the fault-free running 1500 miles (first three) or 500 miles (thereafter) applied, the same as a multiple unit?

 

[USRailFan]

It's actually Spanish...

Made for a British operator, to British specs.

 

[Altfish]

From the post from the man in the know:



…..you will see it is Carlisle and back tomorrow. Not going to Bletchley.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93195/2018/08/29/advanced

That run has been activated.

 

[Erniescooper]

That run has been activated.

Just started return run from Carlisle 78 early

 

[The_Train]

Just started return run from Carlisle 78 early

It's having a better time of it than yesterday then?

 

[AndrewE]

Interesting that it's timed as "Class 350 EMU" and 100mph max.

 

[driver9000]

Interesting that it's timed as "Class 350 EMU" and 100mph max.

There is no mk5A timing load yet. On Genius it shows as NPCCS (non passenger carrying coaching stock).

 

[Bletchleyite]

There is no mk5A timing load yet. On Genius it shows as NPCCS (non passenger carrying coaching stock).

Surely for LHCS it's based on the loco and weight of the trailing load?

 

[Altfish]

Just started return run from Carlisle 78 early

It seems to be stalled at Carnforth or RTT is not updating.

 

[palmersears]

It seems to be stalled at Carnforth or RTT is not updating.

On the move, approaching Lancaster as I type.

 

[Altfish]

On the move, approaching Lancaster as I type.

Indeed, back on the original timings.

 

[Bornin1980s]

On this last test run, did the locomotives face north or south?

 

[mikemcniven]

On this last test run, did the locomotives face north or south?

North end, will always be the 68 facing leading from Manchester International Depot with the MK5a DT leading on the return

 

[61653 HTAFC]

North end, will always be the 68 facing leading from Manchester International Depot with the MK5a DT leading on the return

Presumably as neither of the routes they'll work will require reversals and there'll be little chance of sets switching route during a diagram (due to different termini at both ends) there'll be a fixed(ish) orientation of the sets when in service, too? My money is on 68s leading to the North/East when passing through Huddersfield and Leeds, to avoid the locomotives (and therefore exhaust) being enclosed at the blocks in Liverpool and at the Airport. Whereas Middlesbrough is a through station and Scarborough doesn't have an overall roof.

 

[CAF397]

Operationally I don’t think it will be specified which way the sets run. Take Middlesbrough-Airport for example. Loco departs Leeds on the front, so running via the Chord will be on the blocks at Manchester Airport. Quite often if services are running late they’re sent direct to Piccadilly from Stalybridge, so you’d end up with the 68 on the blocks at Piccadilly, and then the DT on the blocks at Manchester Airport.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Operationally I don’t think it will be specified which way the sets run. Take Middlesbrough-Airport for example. Loco departs Leeds on the front, so running via the Chord will be on the blocks at Manchester Airport. Quite often if services are running late they’re sent direct to Piccadilly from Stalybridge, so you’d end up with the 68 on the blocks at Piccadilly, and then the DT on the blocks at Manchester Airport.

My suggestion would have the loco on the rear from Leeds to Manchester. In any case, the late-running- send it via Guide Bridge issue does throw a spanner in the works somewhat. Supposedly once the new stock arrives the service will be more reliable () but a solution would be to turn late-running Middlesbrough to Airport in the Piccadilly bays rather than still serving the Airport. The return service then runs back out the same way having not had to cross the entire approach to Piccadilly, which is what the Chord was built to prevent. Not ideal with Airport passengers having to change but there'll be frequent Airport services to change on to. The resulting delay repay and compensation claims should then serve as an incentive to TPE to avoid such delays and provide a more reliable service.

 

[pt_mad]

It goes up to Carlisle from Manchester at 05:15 and leaves Carlisle at 08:12 to Bletchley.

Aye. And it looks like the link is to the return diagram when it goes back to Longsight in 't afternoon.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P93194/2018/08/30/advanced

 

[dazzler]

...Scarborough doesn't have an overall roof.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stati...otDetails.aspx?stdCode=SME_SCA&fullsize=78336
I think you'll find that Scarborough *does* have an overall roof, over platforms 3, 4 & 5. TPE usually use platform 3, right up to the blocks.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stati...otDetails.aspx?stdCode=SME_SCA&fullsize=78336
I think you'll find that Scarborough *does* have an overall roof, over platforms 3, 4 & 5. TPE usually use platform 3, right up to the blocks.

So it does!

I'll put that down to a false memory then, I was picturing it with canopies!