SP Man
Member
- Joined
- 26 Aug 2018
- Messages
- 146
Hope not, we need two in Velim!
Hope not, we need two in Velim!
The "quick build time" thing was as much about factory capacity as it was about the mode of propulsion. Extra 802s might've been neater, but Newton Aycliffe was booked solid and both Kasado and the former Ansaldo plant in Italy weren't far off either.Never mind the Class 397s. Let's get at least one Mk5a set into service, and not just a Man Picc to Man Airport one off service.
They were supposedly going to be a quick fix (quick build time). Still waiting!!
Never mind the Class 397s. Let's get at least one Mk5a set into service, and not just a Man Picc to Man Airport one off service.
They were supposedly going to be a quick fix (quick build time). Still waiting!!
Yes and TPE have not exactly got there act together have they!You do realise that crews require training, plus the stock needs testing as it's a totally new kind of stock for the UK, right? Sheesh.
.
Look at the Mk3 debacle!
Yes I do realise that and TPE should have been stronger about the short term benefits but alas.not to be.Thanks to the PC brigade for that one.
Y
Yes I do realise that and TPE should have been stronger about the short term benefits but alas.not to be.
So the TPE travelling public have to endure many more cancellations and overcrowding until these quick fix Mk5as are up and running.
It will happen but are some passengers getting driven (No pun) away.
This is not all TPEs fault as discussed elsewhere.
I think you should be aiming that at the team who put together the bid for FirstGroup and stated they would enter service in May 2018. It is rail "professionals" who need to understand how long things take to enter service, plan accordingly and not make ridiculous, over optimistic promises - not enthusiasts.You do realise that crews require training, plus the stock needs testing as it's a totally new kind of stock for the UK, right? Sheesh.
That's a bit of an over-simplification. If TPE had offered a taxi for wheelchair users straight away (something that they were more than capable of doing, and wouldn't have added much to the costs in the grand scheme of things) instead of making them wait an hour for no good reason, there'd have been no issue.Thanks to the PC brigade for that one.
on Mk.5s, I think they are dealing with a few issues arising from tests so far, reading between the lines of guarded comments made so far from people in the know. They intimate they should be quickly dealt with so tests and mileage accumulation can restart soon.The MK3s don't seem to be being used for crew training either (at least, not mentioned on here).
And how come Northern's 195/331 are out and about daily on some sort of tests/mileage accumulations, but not the MK5s?
From the same manufacturer.
on Mk.5s, I think they are dealing with a few issues arising from tests so far
You do realise that crews require training, plus the stock needs testing as it's a totally new kind of stock for the UK, right? Sheesh.
Anyway, test trains will be running soon to Scarborough (not in service).
Just about everybody is fully aware they need testing before entering service. That isn't a revelation. That, however, together with driver training and everything else should be accounted for and built into the plan. It isn't that trains don't enter passenger service as soon as they leave the factory that is the issue. It is the fact they enter service months/years late and this has a massive impact on passengers, especially on a franchise like TPE where overcrowding is endemic.Like everything new, it'll need robust testing to flatten out any issues before they go into service. The very last thing that TPE need is rushing the Mk5as into service only for them to fail mid-diagram and further mess up the TransPennine routes.
Just about everybody is fully aware they need testing before entering service. That isn't a revelation. That, however, together with driver training and everything else should be accounted for and built into the plan. It isn't that trains don't enter passenger service as soon as they leave the factory that is the issue. It is the fact they enter service months/years late and this has a massive impact on passengers, especially on a franchise like TPE where overcrowding is endemic.
Of course we know they are going to be late. They were supposed to have entered service in May 2018. It is now October 2018. That is late and most observers have no confidence in any being in service this year.
I'm certainly staying away from TPE as much as possible until they remember how to run trains which arrive when they're supposed to and actually reach their destination. I live in Scarborough, and it's a treat at the moment if your TPE service actually travels that far rather than getting cancelled at York or Malton. The thing is, the problems that cause cancellation (staff shortages, and delays?) are not ones that the introduction of the Mk5s will solve.