Train derailment (1Y27 18:20 GLQ - OBN)

[Old Timer]

The vehicle resting in the trees was to be removed by road, the other was to be re-railed and moved on rail from site to a depot

 

[Oswyntail]

This has been posted on another (archery) forum. It shows the difficulties involved quite well - http://www.archery-interchange.net/forum/photographs-artwork/27770-train-wreck.html

 

[Aictos]

The vehicle resting in the trees was to be removed by road, the other was to be re-railed and moved on rail from site to a depot

There's a a 37 coming from Fort William which I've been told is a West Coast one, can't remember the number as I didn't write it down

It's to attach to the vehicle still partly on the rails which will then have a wheelskate attached and then the formation will then leave for Springburn works.

The 37 was booked to arrive at 1800 this evening.

 

[jimrbrobinson]

Wow! That is one VERY large crane. BBC reports they hope to have both the line and the A85 repaired and reopened on Monday. The trees may need a bit longer to recover though.

 

[andylloyd]

There's a a 37 coming from Fort William which I've been told is a West Coast one, can't remember the number as I didn't write it down

It's to attach to the vehicle still partly on the rails which will then have a wheelskate attached and then the formation will then leave for Springburn works.

The 37 was booked to arrive at 1800 this evening.

516/676 perhaps?

 

[Bittern]

So do we know for sure that it's 156499 involved?

 

[Maxfly]

516/676 perhaps?

think it was 676, certainly whichever one is a Fort Bill the noo, a 47 coming up light loco to replace it at the depot

 

[Vulcan]

How could a 37 couple to a 156?

 

[455driver]

Very easy at about 20mph, but it will be a bit of a bugger to "uncouple" them later

 

[bloodmeal]

They've announced monday for the road re-opening, i've just had to go the LONG way around taynuilt to loch awe and back .... normally a 35 minute round trip, this time took me 4 and a half hours.

 

[Aictos]

think it was 676, certainly whichever one is a Fort Bill the noo, a 47 coming up light loco to replace it at the depot

I think that's the one which I was told, certainly sounds like it.

As to the 37 coupling up to the 156, there are such magical things known as emergency couplings which enable movement of two trains with different coupling systems, any driver here should be able to explain it in even great detail,

As a example, back in 2008 there was a incident on the Thameslink in the Core resulting in a failed 319 being rescued by a 66 and also that year, there were OHL problems at Kings Cross resulting in the 67 dragging the FCCs away to I think Ferme Park.

 

[455driver]

Dont forget the 20s into Liverpool St after rescuing a 315? I think.

 

[Aictos]

Dont forget the 20s into Liverpool St after rescuing a 315? I think.

Yes thanks for the gentle reminder, there are others I'm sure.

 

[richw]

being new to the forum, can anyone tell me whats so special about 499, compared to other 156s, its been refered to as the "infamous 499" amongst various things in this thread?

 

[jimrbrobinson]

being new to the forum, can anyone tell me whats so special about 499, compared to other 156s, its been refered to as the "infamous 499" amongst various things in this thread?

I don't know how it works with 499, maybe someone who works these trains for First Scotrail will elaborate, but as with any vehicle from motorbikes to aeroplanes, there are some which are better than others in the same class. It seems to me (if I've understood what I've read here correctly) that 499 was considered one of the better (or worse?) examples of the class.

In my old ambulance days, we had two of the same model of Leyland Daf ambulance at the station, numbered 707 and 708. 707 was a dream to drive, but 708 was an absolute pig. I remember at the time that the London Ambulance Service were using this model a lot, and talking to their crews they found similar things in their fleet. I presume something similar is the case with the 15x class rail fleet.

 

[Bittern]

How could a 37 couple to a 156?

When a 37 and a 156 love each other very much...

 

[Vulcan]

Coupling bar from the emergency coupling hook would have been answer enough, no need to make me sound like I know nothing.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

and now, there's a video of the carriage being lifted out of the enbankment (and the trees) on the BBC's website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8736322.stm

 

[MCR247]

I think 499 was known to 'thrash' a lot

 

[boing_uk]

and now, there's a video of the carriage being lifted out of the enbankment (and the trees) on the BBC's website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8736322.stm

Or this video from the Oban Times

 

[Vulcan]

any idea what was being gas axed at about the 4.00 mark in this video?

 

[LE Greys]

any idea what was being gas axed at about the 4.00 mark in this video?

Looked like it was just behind the rear bogie, which has pivoted to an extreme angle, so my guess would be either some part of the traction equipment hanging off, part of the dragbox or the exhaust. Whatever it was, it seemed to have snagged on the rail, and they decided to cut it rather than disentangle it.

 

[jimrbrobinson]

Just out of personal curiosity, does anyone know the status of this train now? It is repairable? In currently for repair? I would be interested to know how severe the damage was, both from the initial derailment, and from the recovery work. Thanks in advance for any info.

 

[Bittern]

Under repair, I'd say.

 

[rail-britain]

57499 is now awaiting repair
The damage is minor with the bogies requiring to be examined
The internal coupling and electrical connection requiring to be replaced

52499 is awaiting decision, as this will require more extensive repair work
The underframe has minor damage
One bogie has apparently sustained quite major damage so may have to be replaced
One of the wheelsets is also cracked and would have to be replaced, the other three will require work
As a result of the impact the final drive and gearbox may also be damaged
The fuel lines will probably also need replacing, although I understand the fuel tank is undamaged (only the outer skin has impact damage)
This vehicle may now receive a C4 exam, which would include a bogie swap