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Jordy

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Hi

Regarding this:

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PASS 08:24 6T22 IMINGORET 07:47 SANTONOBP 08:45 WTT SX

Does SX mean Saturday or Sunday excluded?

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Hail All! <D
On the subject of these rail information systems, could someone please fill me in on the basics? I'm pretty much a n00b when it comes to railway technology beyond the basic wheels, brakes, motors, engines, and BVE/MTS stuff. I wouldn't mind learning a bit more about the whole thing, if only to allow me to plan ahead and keep myself updated on service information during rail journeys! :)

So far, I have guessed the following:
TOPS: A train (Signal?) operating system that gives the short code and location of every rail vehicle on the UK rail network, except maybe for the CTRL. The system that gives us all of those cryptic yet usable route codes such as 1A14.
TRUST: A train running information and update system that is constantly kept up-to-date by automatic messages received from the signalling system. Most likely the data backbone for internet, concourse and platform based passenger information systems.
(If there are more similar systems on NR, I havn't heard of them yet.)

Also: How would I go about accessing these systems and the information within them? It would be very handy to know as I could run the TOPS and/or TRUST clients on one of my home PCs and use that to determine useful train running information before departing for my local station! 8)
For example: If I was meeting a friend at Farnborough Main, off of the train for Portsmouth Harbour (Via Eastleigh) that left Waterloo at 16:09, I would assume that the train would arrive at Farnborough at 16:45 as per the timetable. If I was able to check TOPS from my PC to see where the train is though, I would know to delay my journey to the station when I see my friends train get diverted via Staines and Addlestone due to a power failure or whatever on the South Coast Main Line! :)

Farewell, and thanks for any information ye can provide! <D
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Hi David! <D
Cheers for the links to those topics...I have read those sometime before, but your post will save me a lot of searching the archived threads! Cheers for that! :)

Reading the information from TOPS and TRUST isn't a problem for me as most of it is pretty self explanatory. However - What I'd like to find out is if there is any way that I can connect to and download the information from these databases? :)
Having seen these systems (Or at least TOPS) in use at mainline stations, I can tell that it's all terminal based and thus designed for downloading via a modem or similar device. What I need to know is the access number/I.P. address/Hostname/whatever that I would have to connect to to find this information! :eek:

Just to see if I've got the basics of it, here's a couple of fictitious TRUST entries (With fictitious station codes!) from the depths of my own mind. Do you think they'd ever come in popular on the various main lines as high-speed commuter services? ;)
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C:\>TRUST /S:FRNBRMAIN /C:3
TRUST - Trains due through Farnborough Main (FRNBRMAIN):

17:35.01 17:35.03 1S25 LONEUSTON 17:15 GLASGWCEN 17:45 VWC SX
17:42.53 17:42.53 1L90 CARDIFCEN 17:30 LONWATLOO 17:45 SWT SX
17:42.56 17:42.57 1A31 PENZANCEM 17:40 ABERDEENM 18:05 ATW SuX

Farewell, and cheers again! <D
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Death

Trust isn't available to the public as it can contain commercially sensitive information etc
If you wanted to check the progress of your friends train, you could use the various facilities available through National Rail enquiries website
 

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Death: There actually used to be a Cardiff to London Waterloo service (albeit Wales & West, not SWT), however it was non-stop Basingstoke to Woking. We did used to have the advantage of a Basingstoke to Stratford/Colchester/Ipswich/Norwich service (that ran via Woking/Staines/North London) though!

As for gaining access, it is (as Slash said) for use by certain railway employees only however if there was a particular train you wanted the timings of, there used to be a forum member who could get you them.
 

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Nat,
Not sure if your aware but somebody who works for another TOC alledgedly got in to serious trouble for something he posted on this forum.
Being a sailor unless we declare war on network rail I'm pretty safe. We have found out recently however why we have to provide an armed guard for the Network Rail Apprentices :)
 

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Have heard stories about people getting into trobule, but there are so many websites, gen lists, forums with TOPs/TRUST info on where the posters are easily traceable. Management are said to have nothing better to do than monitor these things......
 

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Whats the problem with posting it though?

I can maybe understand something like the Royal train.
 

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Hail All! <D
On the subject of TRUST and TOPS data, I have an idea for something that might save us a lot of time when creating routes in BVE. To help me with this, I'll need a FULL diagram of a service, complete with all headers, notes and any other information that might be found in such a diagram. This would preferably be a long route with station "flybys" and calls, junction "flybys" and suchlike. :)

If someone could please obtain such diagrams from both TOPS and TRUST for exactly the same service (So that I can see the differences between header and service layout etc.) then I would be very greatful. As an example, an ideal route for what I have in mind would be a VWC service between Euston and Glasgow Central. 8)
Obviously, please only post service diagrams that do not contain any sensitive or other "not for public" information as what I have in mind would need to work on TOPS/TRUST information entered by the end user, aside from the fact that it would be posted in this forum! :)

If anyone could post this information (In this thread would probably be the best place.) then I would be able to start work on it. I will point out that this project will probably take a while to complete, but any information, updates, and beta versions that I come up with will be posted in a new thread (Along with this post) in the BVE trainsim section. :)

Please excuse my cross-posting of this message, but it's relevant to both TOPS/TRUST and BVE, and I would like to post this information where it will get the most exposure. Any questions or suggestions for this project should be posted in the BVE/Automatic route generator thread. 8)

Farewell...And thanks in advance for any information that you can give! <D
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Nat,
Not sure if your aware but somebody who works for another TOC alledgedly got in to serious trouble for something he posted on this forum.
Being a sailor unless we declare war on network rail I'm pretty safe. We have found out recently however why we have to provide an armed guard for the Network Rail Apprentices :)
The Navy isn't big enough to declare war on NR, anymore, you sold all your boats remember ;)
 

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Think the font needs sorting on this as its gone out of line, but heres 1V53 from TRUST back on 29th October 2003!!! Seems like a nice journey was had by all....
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071V53ME29 09:20 GLASGOW C to PENZANCE  29/10/03 Multiple unit (planned)
                                                                        
                Booked         Actual      Applicable Timetable Service 
              arr    dep     arr    dep                                 
 GLASGOW C          09:20          09:26A   6 LATE                      
 RUTHGLNEJ          09:26          09:33A   7 LATE                      
 NEWTON             09:29          09:37A   8 LATE         VIA UDDINGSTN
 MOTHERWEL   09:36  09:37H  09:45A 09:46A   9 LATE  M LINE              
 LAW JN             09:42H         09:51A   9 LATE                      
 CARSTAIRS          09:51H         10:01A  10 LATE                      
 CARSTSSJN          09:52          10:02A  10 LATE                      
 BEATOKSUM          10:06H         10:28A  22 LATE                      
 LOCKERBIE   10:21  10:22H  10:44A 10:45A  23 LATE                      
 GRETNA JN          10:39H         10:56A  17 LATE                      
 CARLISLE    10:46  10:48   11:03A 11:07A  19 LATE                      
 PENRITH     11:01H 11:03   11:27A 11:29A  26 LATE                      
 TEBAY              11:16H         11:43A  27 LATE        
 OXENHOLME   11:26  11:27H  11:52A 11:53A  26 LATE        
 CRNFTHNJN          11:36          12:03A  27 LATE        
 LANCASTER   11:40H 11:42   12:07A 12:11A  29 LATE  M LINE
 PRESTON     11:59  12:02   12:28A 12:35A  33 LATE  F LINE
 EUXTON JN          12:07          12:39A  32 LATE  F LINE
 WIGAN NW    12:13  12:15   12:48A 13:08A  53 LATE        
 WARRTN BQ   12:24  12:26   13:18A 13:20A  54 LATE  M LINE
 ACTNGNGJN          12:28H         13:22A  54 LATE        
 WEAVER JN          12:34          13:27A  53 LATE        
 CREWE       12:50  12:52   13:43A 14:04A  72 LATE        
 BRTMLEYJN          12:57H         14:12A  75 LATE  U LINE
 ALSAGER            12:59H         14:23A  84 LATE                      
 KIDSGROVE          13:02          14:26A  84 LATE  3 LINE              
 STOKE              13:09          14:33A  84 LATE  1 LINE              
 STOKEOTJN          13:10          14:34A  84 LATE                      
 NORTONBGE          13:23H         14:46A  83 LATE  F LINE              
 STAFFORD    13:29H 13:31   14:52A 14:54A  83 LATE  4 LINE VIA PENKRIDGE
 BUSHBURYJ          13:45          15:04A  79 LATE                      
 WOLVESNJN          13:46          15:06A  80 LATE                      
 WOLVHMPTN   13:47H 13:49   15:08A 15:14A  85 LATE  3 LINE              
 GALTON JN          14:00H         15:25A  85 LATE                      
 BHAMNEWST   14:06  14:13   15:33A 15:54A 101 LATE  0 LINE VIA PROOF HSE
 SELLY OAK          14:19           N/R                                 
 KINGSNRTN          14:21H         16:10A 109 LATE  F LINE         
 LONGBRIDG          14:23H         16:16A 113 LATE  M LINE         
 BARNT GRN          14:27          16:19A 112 LATE  M LINE         
 STOKEWKJN          14:31          16:23A 112 LATE                 
 ABBOTWDJN          14:38          16:30A 112 LATE                 
 ASHCHURCH          14:44H         16:37A 113 LATE                 
 CHELTENHM   14:50H 14:52H  16:42A 16:56A 124 LATE                 
 GLOSBARNJ          14:58H         17:01A 123 LATE  D LINE         
 STANDISHJ          15:03H         17:08A 125 LATE                 
 CHARFIELD          15:11H         17:17A 126 LATE         VIA YATE
 WESTRLY J          15:22          17:23A 121 LATE                 
 BRISPKWAY   15:28  15:30   17:29A 17:31A 121 LATE                 
 FILTON JN          15:32          17:33A 121 LATE         VIA FILTON AW
 STAPLTNRD          15:37          17:35A 118 LATE                      
 DR DAYSJN          15:43          17:37A 114 LATE  R LINE              
 BRISTOLTM   15:45  15:48   17:40A 17:43A 115 LATE                      
 WORLE JN           16:01          17:56A 115 LATE                      
 UPHILL JN          16:03          17:58A 115 LATE         VIA WORLE JCN
 HIGHBRIDG          16:07          18:04A 117 LATE                      
 BRIDGWATR          16:10H         18:05A 115 LATE                      
 COGLOAD J          16:15H         18:10A 115 LATE                      
 TAUNTON     16:19  16:21   18:14A 18:17A 116 LATE  M LINE              
 EXETSTDAV   16:44  16:46   18:45A 18:46A 120 LATE                      
 NEWTONABT   17:03H 17:05H  19:05A 19:07A 122 LATE                      
 IVYBRIDGE          17:27H         20:33A 186 LATE
 HEMERDON           17:33H         20:39A 186 LATE
 LIPSON JN          17:38H         20:45A 187 LATE
 PLYMOUTH    17:41  17:50   20:47A 20:55A 185 LATE
 SALTASH            17:58          21:03A 185 LATE
 STGERMANS          18:03          21:09A 186 LATE
 LISKEARD    18:12  18:14   21:20M 21:21M 187 LATE
 BODMINPKW   18:24H 18:26H   N/R    N/R           
 LOSWITHEL          18:30          21:39M 189 LATE
 PAR         18:35  18:36H  21:46M 21:48M 192 LATE
 STAUSTELL   18:41H 18:43H   N/R    N/R           
 TRURO       18:59  19:02   22:13M 23:43R 281 LATE
 REDRUTH     19:13H 19:15H   N/R    N/R                                     
 CAMBORNE    19:20H 19:22   00:01M 00:04M 282 LATE                          
 ST ERTH     19:30H 19:32   00:13M 00:15M 283 LATE                          
 PENZANCE    19:44          00:25M        281 LATE                          
Key: A,S = Auto report M,R = Manual report N/R = No report E = Expect report
  6 AT GLASGOW C        425389 MX DIESL BRKE                                
 WAITING FOR ROUTE TO BE RESET.                                             
  3 NEWTON   -MOTHERWEL 425389 YD FOL-LATE      2C52       ENROUTE          
  3 LAW JN   -CARSTAIRS 425389 YC FOL-ONTIME    5D84       ENROUTE          
  1 CARSTSSJN-BEATOKSUM 405625 PA PLANND TSR                                
  1 CARSTSSJN-BEATOKSUM 405637 PA PLANND TSR                                
 10 CARSTSSJN-BEATOKSUM 425605 MD DMU TRAC                                  
  7 CARLISLE -PENRITH   425605 MD DMU TRAC                           
  1 OXENHOLME-CRNFTHNJN 401103 PB PLANND COT                         
  4 AT PRESTON          426098 M7 DMU DOOR                           
  3 EUXTON JN-WIGAN NW  380564 JG ESR/TSR                            
 18 AT WIGAN NW         426215 TH (SNR) COND                         
 REAR SET L.O.O.U.PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING INCL W/CHAIRS              
  1 WARRTN BQ-WEAVER JN 323601 IR RAIL FLAW                          
  2 WEAVER JN-CREWE     232067 PB PLANND COT                         
  3 WEAVER JN-CREWE     369440 JS COTTSR ORR                         
 19 AT CREWE            425605 MD DMU TRAC                           
 12 CREWE    -KIDSGROVE 425605 YD FOL-LATE      1A68                 
  4 AT WOLVHMPTN        425605 MD DMU TRAC                 WOLVES    
 FURTHER PROBS REPORTED BY WOLVES PSB                                 
  5 WOLVHMPTN-BHAMNEWST 425605 YD FOL-LATE      2M24       BHM        
 14 AT BHAMNEWST        425605 MD DMU TRAC                            
 OVERTIME IN STN DEFECT WITH UNITS DIV VIA CAMP HILL                  
  8 BHAMNEWST-KINGSNRTN 425605 MD DMU TRAC                 TO KNN     
 DVTD VIA CAMP HILL...                                                
  1 KINGSNRTN-LONGBRIDG 941818 JS COTTSR ORR                          
  3 KINGSNRTN-LONGBRIDG 425605 YC FOL-ONTIME    2R45       LOB        
 12 AT CHELTENHM        425605 MD DMU TRAC                 CHELTENHAM 
 FITTERS ATTN TO SET                                                  
  3 TAUNTON  -EXETSTDAV 421666 IR RAIL FLAW     RCF        STOKE CANON
 20MPH EROS. 189M 16CH > 189M 38CH. WIRE NR926 APPLIES.               
  4 TAUNTON  -EXETSTDAV 425605 MD DMU TRAC      221121     > EXETER S/D
 ENGINE OUT.                                                           
 65 NEWTONABT-IVYBRIDGE 425605 MD DMU TRAC      221XXX     SOUTH BRENT 
 STANDIND DUE TO ELECTRICAL/ ENGINE PROBS.                             
  1 PAR      -TRURO     943187 IV EARTHSLIP                            
 87 AT TRURO            428177 MD DMU TRAC                 TRURO       
  4 TRURO    -ST ERTH   428177 MD DMU TRAC                 EN ROUTE    
 PAX LOADINGS DUE TO BEING COUPLED                                     
  3 ST ERTH  -PENZANCE  428177 MD DMU TRAC                                                                                                    
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Nat, if you use the {Code} (use [square brackets]) it will keep the linespacing when copying - I've edited your post above to show what to do.
 
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