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If the line could swing round to a terminus at Acton Town, rather than heading SW then getting into Heathrow Airport would get a lot easier for a lot of people,
Sorry for being cynical but isn’t this yet another desperate attempt to find a justification to use an existing line, just because it is there?
Bodging together “we need more public transport” and “existing line” even if there is no real match.
Seems to me it adds congestion onto congested lines, particularly through flat junctions, without really connecting anywhere that needs connecting.
Just spend the money improving the cramped interchange routes at Willesden Junction and finally putting platforms on every route at West Hampstead with covered travelators between them
Between Acton Wells Junction and Cricklewood, the line is not at all congested. It sees very few trains. The Hendon lines are not busy either.Sorry for being cynical but isn’t this yet another desperate attempt to find a justification to use an existing line, just because it is there?
Bodging together “we need more public transport” and “existing line” even if there is no real match.
Seems to me it adds congestion onto congested lines, particularly through flat junctions, without really connecting anywhere that needs connecting.
I'm pretty sure "normal folk" consider it a real interchange already given they use it to interchange in their droves. It's well signposted on street level and you're out of station for all of a few minutes. Obviously a direct interchange would be ideal but the current set up certainly won't be putting anyone off who needs to use it.It needs under cover travelators for it to be considered a real interchange by normal folk.
They don’t want to be tipped out onto an urban street to find their own way, particularly in that London after all the stabbings on the news!
No chance. They've just spent serious money on the Midland station and they're still spending it on the NLL station.Basically, moving the MML and NLL platforms east of the road so all three stations are as close as they could possibly be. You can then have a single large ticket hall with walkways over to each platform. Boom, proper interchange.
And what's to stop this endless bloodbath from occurring in some dimly lit corner of a station passageway rather than on the streetI can't imagine many people are too afraid of stabbings in such an affluent area of London...
If they ever seriously rebuild the LU station perhaps they could relocate the entrance to the other side of the road. That would avoid having to cross any roads at all* between the Jubilee and LO lines, and it's about 100m between the entrances, not even a train length.No chance. They've just spent serious money on the Midland station and they're still spending it on the NLL station.
There's already a footbridge currently under construction over most (but not all) of your proposed route in red: https://expedition.uk.com/projects/chiswick-park-footbridge/. The idea behind this to provide better access to the business park from Chiswick Park station and also hopefully reduce crowding at Gunnersbury by splitting the customer loads.See attached image. Station platforms groups indicated by line colour. New pedestrian connections shown yellow. New grade separated road avoiding Bollo Lane crossings shown red.
I agree, to an extent, however rail access between North London and North West/West London is shockingly poor. I wonder how many people drive just because of the poor public transport position. I might be biased but in my old job I was pretty much forced to drive because the only usable public transport option involved going via Zone 1 which took ages and my other half currently has the same problem.Sorry for being cynical but isn’t this yet another desperate attempt to find a justification to use an existing line, just because it is there?
As far as I can make out, the new bridge link is actually quite a modest affair up at the northern apex of the triangle as shown here in yellow.There's already a footbridge currently under construction over most (but not all) of your proposed route in red: https://expedition.uk.com/projects/chiswick-park-footbridge/. The idea behind this to provide better access to the business park from Chiswick Park station and also hopefully reduce crowding at Gunnersbury by splitting the customer loads
... if Chiswick Park station transferred to the Piccadilly with frequent Heathrow trains stopping there.
The Piccadilly is due to take over the whole of the District service to Ealing Broadway in a few years time, so that has to be addressed anyway.That would be rather complicated and very expensive, as it would involve rebuilding the station in order to have a centre platform for the Piccadilly line.
The Piccadilly is due to take over the whole of the District service to Ealing Broadway in a few years time, so that has to be addressed anyway.
I don’t think TfL ever got into that level of detail but some would certainly have to call at additional stations, I would expect Turnham Green. The transfer was in the mayors strategy in 2017, and results from the Piccadilly upgrade to 33 tph needing another western terminus to soak up the additional trains. The displaced District Line trains would still be running west of Earls Court but be shared 50/50 between Richmond and Wimbledon.I didn't know that. Presumably Piccadilly services would have some that stopped at some or all stations between Hammersmith and Acton Town, and some that run non-stop.
There’s a suggestion by LU_timetabler in an earlier thread in the LU subforum:Likehood is that Turnham Green will become full time stop on Piccadilly line. Between Turnham Green and Chiswick Park will need to be a new crossover from the Pic to existing District lines. I would expect service pattern to be Turnham Green - Chiswick Park - Acton Town continuing to Ealing Broadway/Rayners Lane Uxbridge or Turnham Green - Acton Town continuing to Heathrow.
Essentially splitting the Pic after Turnham Green rather than after Acton Town as at present.
The problem that remains is that Ealing Common depot will then not be on the District Line
If the line could swing round to a terminus at Acton Town, rather than heading SW then getting into Heathrow Airport would get a lot easier for a lot of people,
Have there been any updates to the Business case for the West London Orbital?
And will it be most likely it'll turn into a london over ground route?
Battery powered trains are the preferred optionThe current issue of Modern Railways (page 8) states that TfL have published the strategic outline business case. Currently envisaged as a single or two 4tph routes operated by 4-car DMUs.
If the line could swing round to a terminus at Acton Town, rather than heading SW then getting into Heathrow Airport would get a lot easier for a lot of people,
I doubt there's room for more platforms at West Hampstead. Stubs of line were left (and restored after the upgrade works!) for the Hendon lines, but two platforms is pretty much your lot unless you are able to start re-acquiring land from the car park/buildings adjacent. Two is probably sufficient though. Would be nice to get est Hampstead rebuilt properly (it's doable, abet massively expensive!), so everything stopped there in an integrated fashion, but being realistic, it isn't going to happen.How many round trips could be done with current battery technology? Could the new Brent cross station be built with a few terminating platforms rather than just one so trains can sit there and charge, saying that as mentioned above, a route travelling south to West Hampstead would probably be preferred, could similar be done there? I feel if that happens they should really push to stop the met and Chiltern there too.
For me, I’m struggling to understand the benefits of trains going towards Brent Cross. I suspect a platform off the back of the Down Fast (eg on the up Hendon) at West Hampstead would be best for all the connections there.
I doubt there's room for more platforms at West Hampstead. Stubs of line were left (and restored after the upgrade works!) for the Hendon lines, but two platforms is pretty much your lot unless you are able to start re-acquiring land from the car park/buildings adjacent. Two is probably sufficient though. Would be nice to get est Hampstead rebuilt properly (it's doable, abet massively expensive!), so everything stopped there in an integrated fashion, but being realistic, it isn't going to happen.
I think it's because the massive Brent Cross redevelopment should make it worthwhile, or at the very least, will give an excuse to wring some more out of the developers.
I am aware of the development, but looking at the general state of rail in the area I’m somewhat sure that to start with a West Hampstead - Kew Bridge service would mean people can change at WH for Thameslink services north.