JACK SPILLMAN
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What is going to happen when the west anglia mainline gets taken over and govia bin the class 317,321s!!
whats going to happen
whats going to happen
The WA mainline is NOT being taken over by LO. They are only taking over the all station stoppers on the inner suburban part of the route.
GoVia's plans for the Great Northern have been covered in depth in a number of previous threads about 'Govia Thameslink'. If you check them out you'll find the answer somewhere, but in summary the retained GN routes will be operated by 377s and 365s, and the current GN routes transferring to Thameslink will be operated by 700s. The Moorgate route will be operated by new construction 6 car EMUs, class not yet known.
as swtpassenger said, however GN may replace 317s with displaced 377s or possibly 387s once 700s are delivered, and EMT have made their mind up about electrified coby services.
Where? Someone is telling you porkies!I read somewhere...
Where? Someone is telling you porkies!
Rather than reading unreliable sources and posting new threads about untrue claims on this forum, I recommend you consider reading the threads on this forum?
See http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=94908 - there are 88 posts on that thread. There's also a more recent thread here: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=101239 with 49 posts so far.
As for Govia Great Northern's plans for their trains, that's surely a completely separate matter.
I think the evidence is more firm than that. GTR have said in their earlier online presentation that the 'remainder GN' services will use 377s, with the exception of a limited number of 365s as peak extras. No suggestion in their announcements so far that 387s are still a possibility - unless you've heard different somewhere of course...
Hasn't the fairly well informed insider 377/5 also written here that the GN outer fleet will reduce to 377s and 365s only?
The 315s were expected to have a longer term future post Crossrail as the electrification scheme didn't include any new trains. Cascaded trains were to be used to make the business case stack up.
I think you're referring to Cardiff Valleys electrification here, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
i have to say i have never been on a class 315
I don't think anything has been said about retiring any 317s from West Anglia has it? My assumption is that the odd units that occasionally worked the short distance WA routes would be added to the fleets serving the longer distance routes to Cambridge, Bishops Stortford etc. whereas the 315s would be sent to another TOC or disposed of once LO have their new stock delivered in, 2018 I think it is?
Yeah that's what I've heard, no chance of the 317s going off the WA just yet but I did hear a bulk of certain 317 sub-classes will be transferred over to LOROL along with the 315s until they receive new units! AGA will need to retain some 317s though.
would make sense kind of if LOROL took all the /8's as (according to wiki) there are 12 of these units. Or maybe they'll take the /7's? Who knows until it happens! But I definitely agree all the 317's need some kind of TLC, they are very tired looking!
These are all 100mph units with relatively low power:weight ratio so probably unsuitable for the GW suburban electrification (110mph and high performance apparently needed), and for Welsh Valleys (hill-climbing and acceleration is important). Apart from Northern, the only obvious potential users are the GW suburban branches and some duties in the Bristol-Cardiff area. Without even more electrification it is difficult to see all of these fleets having a long-term future.
I think the evidence is more firm than that. GTR have said in their earlier online presentation that the 'remainder GN' services will use 377s, with the exception of a limited number of 365s as peak extras. No suggestion in their announcements so far that 387s are still a possibility - unless you've heard different somewhere of course...
Hasn't the fairly well informed insider 377/5 also written here that the GN outer fleet will reduce to 377s and 365s only?
If I remember correctly, can't find the thread it was said in but I think they're taking the /5s and /8s.
i have to say i have never been on a class 315
once themeslink have their 700s then either the 387s or 377/5s and 3 377/2s will go to emt for the corby services after electrification, the one that isn't chosen will go to southern to replace some 455s.