Hitachi aren’t the only company who can supply 125mph EMUs for British marketsI imagine the Hitachi crack issue is the main reason why an order hasn't been placed!
156s. Various runs now taking place.What are EMR going to replace the 153's with on the Grimsby-Barton line?
For a small order like that, you really wouldn't want a completely different fleet of trains if you could avoid itHitachi aren’t the only company who can supply 125mph EMUs for British markets
I’d forgotten about that small subclass! So it’ll be a race between the released Northern units and directly replaced LNWR units, both Alstom dependant.Can see the 319s lasting til at least the end of 2022/early 2023, depending on how the 730s start entering service with WMT/LNWR so the 17 or all 26 323s can transfer to northern.
They also aren't the only manufacturer who's had issues with the quality of steel...Hitachi aren’t the only company who can supply 125mph EMUs for British markets
466s are gonna be around for quite a long time.Can't see 466 being around much longer.
I wonder who would be interested in such an order? If you only consider Manufacturers who have made 125MPH EMUs for the UK market recently then I think there is only Hitatchi and CAF. If you want ones with Diesel shunting/self rescue capabilities then I think there is only Hitachi.Hitachi aren’t the only company who can supply 125mph EMUs for British markets
All I can say is that you’ve surmised the logical optionsI wonder who would be interested in such an order? If you only consider Manufacturers who have made 125MPH EMUs for the UK market recently then I think there is only Hitatchi and CAF. If you want ones with Diesel shunting/self rescue capabilities then I think there is only Hitachi.
I believe the ROG ones will probably be retired (or returned back to Europhoenix) before DRS retires the last of theirs - although they are selling a number of the fleet, they are still investing in the ETH fitted /4 fleet. It’s the early refurbished locos that are up for sale.No ones mentioned 37’s here..
Once DRS retires, theres a handful of Colas ones, and they already have started using class 43’s on NRTTs and did a class 66 test south of the thames last year. Your left with just ROG, but that could easily change.
After that is the WCRC/LSL ones.
37’s havent got much life left…
That would be poor decision making on the governments part. New trains should be ordered because they are required and the existing stock is end of life. Northerns 323s are far from end of life and soon they will be the only BR-era emu left in northerns fleet.I may be wrong, but I can see the DfT doing something to keep the workshops open. There's going to be some backlash to the cancellation of the Leeds portion of HS2. I think the counter to that will be the electrification of Leeds to Manchester and the replacement of all BR-era rolling stock, particularly around the Midlands and North.
So I would say that it's time to savour any BR-era rolling electric rolling stock. The 156/158/159s are probably safe though.
LU 1972 stock - I'd be amazed if they last until 2030. If replacements aren't delivered I can see the Bakerloo line grinding to a halt as the stock gives up. They've been knackered already for more than a decade.
There will be replacement options available soon, im not sure if there is a plan but there are plenty of rumours. When GAs 379s go off lease (making them avaliable to GN) and SWRs 701s are fully available we may see some kind of movement thenWell, the Southern classes 455/8 and 313 have been going for around 40 years. It is surely time to retire these rolling stock?
Well. GN are rumored to get class 379s when it leaves GA and the class 387s that GN are using are going to be moving to Southern.There will be replacement options available soon, im not sure if there is a plan but there are plenty of rumours. When GAs 379s go off lease (making them avaliable to GN) and SWRs 701s are fully available we may see some kind of movement then
Yep thats the rumour ive heard.Well. GN are rumored to get class 379s when it leaves GA and the class 387s that GN are using are going to be moving to Southern.
There’s a bit of slack within the 46 Cl455s that can be tightened once 387s are available.There's 46 Class 455s with Southern but only 38 387s with Great Northern.
There’s a bit of slack within the 46 Cl455s that can be tightened once 387s are available.
This is what I'm hoping in the short term. Out of the 365s which have been scrapped, only one or two were in recent use.Whichever way one looks at it (and there's several permutations), the numbers don't add up without a quite substantial long-term slashing of peak services.
Even including 379s, which seems to be pretty much a certainty now, the only way a full 455 & 313 replacement can be made to work and maintaining anything like 2019 service levels is if something else is included in the mix, be that one or more of 377/5, 376 or return of 365 to GN.
379 to GN does allow the GN 387 fleet to be split though, a 50/50 split of the fleet could just about manage 313 replacement and maintaining the bulk of the GN peak extras, but not touching the 455s. This is what my money's on.
365511. Is one off the 365s.This is what I'm hoping in the short term. Out of the 365s which have been scrapped, only one or two were in recent use.
Medium term, a wholescale replacement of the Southeastern metro/Networker fleet might free up some 377s in order to shuffle Electrostars between the GTR sub-brands and return the 387/2s to Gatwick Express.
156s yes for another year or more.I can definitely imagine ScotRail's 156s being needed in a lesser capacity as a result of increasing electrification across Southern Glasgow. No doubt Scotrail will keep them to strengthen other services, but will all of them really need to stay?
Same goes for the 318/320 and the 334s at a stretch. 318/320 are getting on now, and even with a refurbishment are starting to show their age a little bit. 334s are newer, but they were very similar to 458s when it comes to problems, and even today they do have issues such as being unable to run on Cathcart due to the overheating issue. It wouldn't surprise me if Scotrail eventually did a huge EMU order to oust the 318, 320 and 334 fleets in the one go.
There are a number of Southern services that aren't running and would be prime routes not to return in the future so replacing 46 455s and 19 313s seems well within reach of 29 387s moving to the operation and reorganisation of 377s. The idea of a return to 2019 service levels seems quite unlikely.Whichever way one looks at it (and there's several permutations), the numbers don't add up without a quite substantial long-term slashing of peak services.