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Why is a Borismaster bus in Southampton?

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Uneducated guesses but given the GREAT Britain and NI Branding and it being LT1 (the prototype) I'm guessing it's been on a promotional trip somewhere (or is going on one)
 

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Bit early for it but could it be in connection with the big transport festival happening in Southampton over the May Day bank holiday?
 

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There is a new London bus in New York with David Cameron and Prince Harry - could it be this one?
 

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Trying desperately to sell an overweight, over sized, under-capacity, over-expensive turd to other places?
 

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One of the articles yesterday said that there was another one also promoting British trade overseas.
 

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and how safe will they be for cyclists? Hopefully better than the bendy buses
Bendybuses are perfectly safe for cyclists - unless you're stupid enough to put yourself into a dangerous position.

Assuming of course that the bus driver makes allowances for the cyclist, when the bus arrives after the cyclist.
 

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Well, There has already been cyclists holding on to the back of it as its going along...Make of that what you want ;)
 

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and how safe will they be for cyclists? Hopefully better than the bendy buses

They're longer than a standard two axle double decker.

I'll interject at the point to mention that the majority of cyclists injured by large vehicles* have not been riding recklessly/illegally. Those that have been crushed by tipper trucks in London, for example, recently.


*recent stats from London have shown that in 66% of ALL incidents between motor vehicles and bicycles the cyclist has not been at all at fault (there's a fairly hefty middle ground where there is contributory fault from both parties)
 

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You call them superb buses, I call them a huge waste of public money and ugly monstrosities. :lol:

Well I accept the appearance of the NB4L is 'different' but they are what Londoners have wanted, the return of open platform buses and no more being trapped on board when the traffic grinds to a halt and drivers refuse to open the doors away from a bus stop.
 

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Well I accept the appearance of the NB4L is 'different' but they are what Londoners have wanted, the return of open platform buses and no more being trapped on board when the traffic grinds to a halt and drivers refuse to open the doors away from a bus stop.

And not what they wanted in terms of fewer seats, especially on the ground floor.

And of course the platform will be permanently closed in the evening.

And approx 50% more expensive to buy than similar buses. The first bus that TfL have had to buy as operators don't want to.

And oddly, no-one on board who checks tickets depspite having twice as many staff.
 

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And not what they wanted in terms of fewer seats, especially on the ground floor.

And of course the platform will be permanently closed in the evening.

And approx 50% more expensive to buy than similar buses. The first bus that TfL have had to buy as operators don't want to.

And oddly, no-one on board who checks tickets depspite having twice as many staff.

Fewer lower deck seats is a problem on all low floor double deckers.

Well it'll be open during the day, presumably the cost of a conductor isn't felt justified in the evening?

50% more expensive? That's different to what I've read elsewhere. Surely it makes sense for TfL to buy them rather than the operator who might lose the route on retender?

I agree the conductor should be checking tickets.
 

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50% more expensive? That's different to what I've read elsewhere.

Knowing who he works for, I would think that his figures would be far more accurate than any other source of information we might have.

Borismasters are a publicity stunt. They are not about bringing Londoners what they want, despite all the spin trotted out.
 

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Fewer lower deck seats is a problem on all low floor double deckers.

But worse on a Borisbus. A TfL spec Enviro400 has 26 seats on the lower deck (24 with a wheelchair). A Borisbus has 22.

Well it'll be open during the day, presumably the cost of a conductor isn't felt justified in the evening?

50% more expensive? That's different to what I've read elsewhere. Surely it makes sense for TfL to buy them rather than the operator who might lose the route on retender?

Yes, looks like I've overestimated when compared with other *hybrid* buses - there's only about £60,000 difference (nearer 25%).

It's never made sense before - it's the operator's commercial risk whereas now TfL is stuck with them.

I agree the conductor should be checking tickets.

It'd be nice if someone was given the driver does on other buses.
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Knowing who he works for, I would think that his figures would be far more accurate than any other source of information we might have.

Borismasters are a publicity stunt. They are not about bringing Londoners what they want, despite all the spin trotted out.

Normally my info is, but I didn't look closely enough at that one. The majority of the extra costs are going to come from the extra staff and lower capacity in the long run though.

I'm struggling to find people in London Buses who like them as anything other than a bit of a novelty - though obviously there's plenty who are working with them as there's not much choice.
 

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But worse on a Borisbus. A TfL spec Enviro400 has 26 seats on the lower deck (24 with a wheelchair). A Borisbus has 22.



Yes, looks like I've overestimated when compared with other *hybrid* buses - there's only about £60,000 difference (nearer 25%).

It's never made sense before - it's the operator's commercial risk whereas now TfL is stuck with them.



It'd be nice if someone was given the driver does on other buses.
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Normally my info is, but I didn't look closely enough at that one. The majority of the extra costs are going to come from the extra staff and lower capacity in the long run though.

I'm struggling to find people in London Buses who like them as anything other than a bit of a novelty - though obviously there's plenty who are working with them as there's not much choice.



I've been on a few of them on the 38 and everybody, staff and passengers, seems happy enough with them.

They fully take over the 24 next month:D
 

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I've been on a few of them on the 38 and everybody, staff and passengers, seems happy enough with them.

They fully take over the 24 next month:D

On the 38 they are additional to the normal schedule (4 in addition to 57 other buses, recently reduced from 68). It'll be interesting to see how they cope on the 24 - with no increase to the usual 27 buses on this route.
 
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