Big Stations with no Ticket Barriers

[VTPreston_Tez]

Preston. Anything 3-7 is unguarded but 1 to 2 is guarded by Northern Rail (and trust me, that's a bad idea at peak time, or any time when you take into account how bad they are at their job)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Or you can leave 1 and 2 via the subway.

I did see once (about Jan) G4S set up ropes etc to check everyone coming through / out of the booking hall at Preston.

 

[VTPreston_Tez]

Or you can leave 1 and 2 via the subway.

Like I've already stated, bad idea. Besides sometimes they're good ticket inspectors! (I only use Preston for Lakes/Manchester anyway and have only done one Manchester journey this year so I don't fuss)

I did see once (about Jan) G4S set up ropes etc to check everyone coming through / out of the booking hall at Preston.

I heard about that. It's a pain for commuter services to Blackpool/Liverpool and using the subway wouldn't be popular.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Using the subway is useful from other platfroms and the car parks though.

 

[VTPreston_Tez]

Using the subway is useful from other platfroms and the car parks though.

5, 6, 7, 3c and 4c, yeah.

 

[lyesbkz]

Sheffield

Reasons for this were discussed here

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Or 3 and 4. Often times it is quicker to use the subway to avoid the mass hoards of people on the footbridge, especially when tickets are being checked.

 

[Tomonthetrain]

I'm sure i remember a VT or ATW leaflet advertising barriers going up at WVH, idk if they went up or not. This was in about the early 2000s

 

[VTPreston_Tez]

Or 3 and 4. Often times it is quicker to use the subway to avoid the mass hoards of people on the footbridge, especially when tickets are being checked.

Hmm, I guess that really depends on where your train arrives. If it arrives WHSmith or further north, footbridge. Else, take the subway is my advice if you're going to another platform.

 

[cookiescrumble]

A few I can think of local to me are:

Fratton
Portsmouth Harbour
Eastleigh
Brockenhurst
Southampton Airport

 

[David Goddard]

Wokingham, with over 2m annual passenger usage, this station really should be barriered as it's a busy SWT station also used by FGW services, both of which operated PF schemes, but I'm not sure where the barriers would go!

No thank you! The booking office is jam packed already as it is! And I sincerely hope that these awful un-humane devices will not be a feature of the new building when it opens either.

 

[AndyLandy]

A few I can think of local to me are:

Fratton
Portsmouth Harbour
Eastleigh
Brockenhurst
Southampton Airport

Don't Portsmouth Harbour and Eastleigh have barriers now? I was pretty sure Eastleigh at least did...

 

[island]

Does Swansea have tkt barriers

Yes as does Neath and Bridgend.

Wasn't any when I was in Swansea a couple of months ago, are they new?

Waterloo East perversely has no barriers at all if you exit via Waterloo itself, but DOES have barriers if you exit directly onto the street. Bizarre.

If they had installed the barriers just a few feet away from where they are, they would have covered both routes.

They are planning on putting some in on the bridge from Waterloo proper, which will gum up the works mightily.

 

[bAzTNM]

In Glasgow, I'd have to say Partick.

 

[swt_passenger]

I think personally, A "24 Hour" Free platform ticket should be available upon request from the ticket office, it should say the Station name, so, YORK (for example) and the date.

If such a ticket was available, no one would need to buy a proper ticket to get through the barriers - although they'd run the risk of being checked on the train.

But in general, platform tickets being dished out to all and sundry is just not going to happen with a ticket barrier installation - it doesn't make sense.

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I was pretty sure Eastleigh at least did...

No barriers even now. The work to alter the entrance hall last year (or was it 2010?) was just to make the lift accessible with the station building side unmanned and locked up.

 

[kar3emosman]

Would I be right in saying Stockport have no ticket barriers?

 

[WestCoast]

Would I be right in saying Stockport have no ticket barriers?

Correct, no station operated by Virgin currently has automated ticket barriers.

 

[Lampshade]

But in general, platform tickets being dished out to all and sundry is just not going to happen with a ticket barrier installation - it doesn't make sense.

How else does someone with a legitimate reason gain access to the platforms? Platform tickets worked pretty well before "Open Stations".

 

[bnm]

Anyone mentioned Crewe yet?

Another busy interchange would be Didcot Parkway.

 

[Eagle]

How else does someone with a legitimate reason gain access to the platforms? Platform tickets worked pretty well before "Open Stations".

By telling the gateline staff their legitimate reason? That's the tactic most people seem to employ.

 

[mralexn]

By telling the gateline staff their legitimate reason? That's the tactic most people seem to employ.

yes but then what is to stop someone who has just got off a train without a ticket to say "i have been trainspotting all day here"
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Interesting idea for a thread



Thanks

 

[AndyLandy]

yes but then what is to stop someone who has just got off a train without a ticket to say "i have been trainspotting all day here"

You'd be expected to return a platform ticket. At least that's my experience at Southampton Central. You can't buy a platform ticket, but if you've a legitimate reason to be on the platform, they'll issue you one at the gateline. You need to hand it back to barrier staff on your way out. I daresay it's open to abuse, but then what isn't?

A friend of mine wanted to see his wife off onto the train, but the barrier staff wouldn't let him on the platform. His solution was to buy a CDR to St. Deny's and use it as a platform ticket.

I've got to admit that my biggest objection with automatic barriers is when they're manned by clueless staff, or even worse, aren't manned at all! I had to brute-force my way through a barrier at Waterloo once because my ticket wouldn't open the barrier and there was no assistant in sight.

 

[big_dirt]

Gatwick Airport? 12m passengers per annum and no gates, except for those to prevent you bringing a trolley in.

 

[Urban Gateline]

Gatwick Airport? 12m passengers per annum and no gates, except for those to prevent you bringing a trolley in.

Are you sure about that? Ticket barriers were fitted to Gatwick Airport station in December last year and they seem to be operational now!

 

[150222]

York. Probably as a throughfair to the NRM.

 

[thelongestroad]

Taunton (busy commuter station)

Another busy interchange would be Didcot Parkway.

Both stations where gatelines are to be installed.

 

[yorkie]

But in general, platform tickets being dished out to all and sundry is just not going to happen with a ticket barrier installation - it doesn't make sense.

Huh? TOCs have the choice of either letting people through without a platform ticket, or issuing a platform ticket. Obviously in either case they can prevent people accessing the platforms who they reasonably suspect have no legitimate business to do so.

Also, why are people so against ticket barriers?

See previous threads for many answers to that.

yes but then what is to stop someone who has just got off a train without a ticket to say "i have been trainspotting all day here"

Nothing. And what is there to stop the member of staff saying "Hold on while I verify that"?

 

[telstarbox]

Sheffield does not have barriers because of local residents needing to cross the railway via the station. I know there has been loads of opposition in the past when EMT proposed barriers.

As mentioned in the Sheffield Star every month or so! Also, the Supertram stop at Sheffield station is also the stop for Sheffield Hallam University which is on the opposite site of the National Rail tracks, so anyone wanting to get to Hallam from the tram couldn't get through any barriers.

One solution often proposed is barriers on the platforms. However, the stairs and lifts are on opposite sides of the walkway so passengers could still avoid the barriers using the lifts (unless wide gates were installed at the lifts as well!)

For those not familiar with the station, this plan might help explain things - Hallam is to the west of the station, ie at the bottom of the plan.

 

[krus_aragon]

Wasn't any when I was in Swansea a couple of months ago, are they new?

I know that Swansea's had its entrance refurbished in the past year. Perhaps they'd moved the barriers away when you called by.

 

[D1009]

As mentioned in the Sheffield Star every month or so! Also, the Supertram stop at Sheffield station is also the stop for Sheffield Hallam University which is on the opposite site of the National Rail tracks, so anyone wanting to get to Hallam from the tram couldn't get through any barriers.

Isn't there a disused footbridge that could be borught back into use for non rail people ?