Ticket Oddities, Rarities etc

[Roverman]

Whilst reading the £1000 ticket it occurred to me there must be ticket combinations that barely sell.

e.g

Return to Denton, SOV to SOC that sort of thing.

I doubt we'd ever get an official list but happy to hear from those who sell the tickets about rarities they've come across over the years.

I'm also intrigued to know how 10 people managed to buy tickets to Watford West, many years after trains stopped calling there?

 

[beeza1]

Honley to Huddersfield, anytime single £1.70, Off Peak Return £85.00, bet they don't sell many of those, the journey time by the way is 11 minutes.
Can anyone explain this, 'cos it's beyond me.

 

[Roverman]

Have you got a screen grab or link for this beeza1?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Honley-Huddersfield is £2.20 Off-Peak Return as far as I can see

 

[transportphoto]

Honley to Huddersfield, anytime single £1.70, Off Peak Return £85.00, bet they don't sell many of those, the journey time by the way is 11 minutes.
Can anyone explain this, 'cos it's beyond me.

What a load of old tosh. There is no Off Peak Return on this flow let alone one costing £85.00. The Off Peak Day Return is £2.20.

TP

 

[34D]

Whilst reading the £1000 ticket it occurred to me there must be ticket combinations that barely sell.

e.g

Return to Denton, SOV to SOC that sort of thing.

I doubt we'd ever get an official list but happy to hear from those who sell the tickets about rarities they've come across over the years.

I'm also intrigued to know how 10 people managed to buy tickets to Watford West, many years after trains stopped calling there?

I've got (somewhere) a ticket from when Stockport-Stalybridge ran in reverse in 2006ish (on a friday afternoon iirc).

 

[gnolife]

What a load of old tosh. There is no Off Peak Return on this flow let alone one costing £85.00. The Off Peak Day Return is £2.20.

TP

As a theory, could he have put Horley (in Sussex) instead of Honley (in Yorkshire) to get that Off peak return?

 

[beeza1]

What a load of old tosh. There is no Off Peak Return on this flow let alone one costing £85.00. The Off Peak Day Return is £2.20.

TP

Not a load of old tosh, check it out on National Rail Enquiries Website, there are other similar ones too.
The £2.20 applies to an Off Peak Day Return, NOT a standard "return within a month" ticket, as I say if you don't believe me check out NRE.

 

[sheff1]

Not a load of old tosh, check it out on National Rail Enquiries Website, there are other similar ones too.
The £2.20 applies to an Off Peak Day Return, NOT a standard "return within a month" ticket, as I say if you don't believe me check out NRE.

There is no Off Peak Return 'within a month' for this journey. If return travel is on another day. two singles are required as quite clearly shown on NRES.

 

[LexyBoy]

As a theory, could he have put Horley (in Sussex) instead of Honley (in Yorkshire) to get that Off peak return?

It could be NRE showing a Rover valid for that journey- this happens sometimes when there is no period return available (though it defaults to showing two singles when cheaper). Rovers show as "Off Peak Return" in the table view, with the name only show below when selected.

 

[beeza1]

There is no Off Peak Return 'within a month' for this journey. If return travel is on another day. two singles are required as quite clearly shown on NRES.

Just checked NRE again, Honley to Hudds out tomorrow, return on Wednesday, £85 return, it does highlight the "2 singles" option though. if a return ticket is not available, why is there a price shown? Honley to Barnsley is also coming up as £85 return for the same dates.

 

[gnolife]

Just checked NRE again, Honley to Hudds out tomorrow, return on Wednesday, £85 return, it does highlight the "2 singles" option though. if a return ticket is not available, why is there a price shown? Honley to Barnsley is also coming up as £85 return for the same dates.

Rather than just spouting numbers at us, can you do a print screen and attach that your post please?

 

[Goatboy]

Just checked NRE again, Honley to Hudds out tomorrow, return on Wednesday, £85 return, it does highlight the "2 singles" option though. if a return ticket is not available, why is there a price shown? Honley to Barnsley is also coming up as £85 return for the same dates.

The £85 ticket is showing as:

Freedom of the North East Rover (4 in 8 days)

It comes up because its the only ticket that would permit both and out and back journey as there is no Offpeak Return available on that route. NRES correctly identifies that two singles are cheaper.

 

[transportphoto]

And here's our answer. Thank you!

 

[causton]

Rather than just spouting numbers at us, can you do a print screen and attach that your post please?

Or a link?

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/HOY/HUD/111212/1700/dep/121212/1400/dep

Click "Return from £85.00"

 

[beeza1]

I bow to a greater knowledge or Railway Ticketing than mine, I've never heard of "Freedom Of The North East Rover". The figure I quoted appeared when I was doing some research into "splitting" a journey, I saw 2 singles were cheaper so that's what I've been buying.

 

[Goatboy]

Back on topic with ticket oddities.

Can anyone tell me why the First Open Return from Lockerbie to Edinburgh is cheaper than many of the Advance tickets offered on the same route? It's also only a tenner more than the SOR!

 

[kieron]

Return to Denton, SOV to SOC that sort of thing.

Nothing wrong with returns to Denton. The only return from Chester to Denton with no time restrictions is a SVR which bans BoJ on the outward part. It sometimes happens that a person is unable to complete a journey in one day.

Can anyone tell me why the First Open Return from Lockerbie to Edinburgh is cheaper than many of the Advance tickets offered on the same route? It's also only a tenner more than the SOR!

It's probably something to do with Scotrail pricing the flexible tickets, but not running any trains there. At least they avoided having the flexible ticket costing more than some TPE advance tickets.

The Virgin advance ticket is part of a larger flow. I don't know if any part of it has a higher anytime fare than the dearest advance ticket available, but Carlisle-Alloa (for instance) has no flexible tickets at all.

 

[scotsman]

Back on topic with ticket oddities.

Can anyone tell me why the First Open Return from Lockerbie to Edinburgh is cheaper than many of the Advance tickets offered on the same route? It's also only a tenner more than the SOR!

Are you sure you weren't checking on a weekend date with TPE?

Lockerbie - Edinburgh on TPE + £10 weekend first?

 

[Eagle]

Nope, it's genuine. FDS, priceed by ScotRail, £22.50. Cheapest First Advance priced by Virgin, £26.50.

Some of Virgin's First Advances are more expensive than the FOR.

 

[Goatboy]

Nope, it's genuine. FDS, priceed by ScotRail, £22.50. Cheapest First Advance priced by Virgin, £26.50.

Some of Virgin's First Advances are more expensive than the FOR.

It's a very bargain priced ticket. 73 miles in First Class on a TPE 185 for £22.

Compared with Scarborough to York, 41 miles in Standard Class also on a TPE 185 for £17.10!

 

[cjohnson]

I can't imagine many Newhaven Marine - Boundary Zone 6 tickets are sold these days...

 

[Olympian]

Dumfries/Annan/Gretna Green to Dunbar is also a bargain at £36.20 FDS, £68.80 FOR if you're travelling between Carlisle and Edinburgh....

 

[bb21]

Back on topic with ticket oddities.

Can anyone tell me why the First Open Return from Lockerbie to Edinburgh is cheaper than many of the Advance tickets offered on the same route? It's also only a tenner more than the SOR!

The FOS is valid on the direct route only whereas the APs are presumably also valid for travel via Glasgow seeing that they are priced by Virgin.
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SOV to SOC?

Where?
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SOV to SOC?

Where?

 

[Eagle]

SOV to SOC that sort of thing.

No such tickets exist.

 

[bb21]

This journey cannot realistically be made by rail.

 

[Goatboy]

The FOS is valid on the direct route only whereas the APs are presumably also valid for travel via Glasgow seeing that they are priced by Virgin.

Though the benefit of that is dubious at best as you wont be able to break your journey in Glasgow, so all it does is make the journey more complex and longer rather than any more flexible than the FOS.

I suppose you could argue the Virgin First provision is better than TPE but the FOS remains an exceptionally well priced ticket, especially compared to my other TPE example.

 

[John @ home]

Can anyone tell me why the First Open Return from Lockerbie to Edinburgh is cheaper than many of the Advance tickets offered on the same route?

The FOS is valid on the direct route only

Yes. The Routeing Guide has been changed to exclude travel via Glasgow since our 2009 discussion in the Edinburgh > Lockerbie Question thread.

 

[RJ]

Via West Norwood is one of the rarest routes in the system. Can anyone identify any of the 5 flows that have this route as an option?

 

[bb21]

Though the benefit of that is dubious at best as you wont be able to break your journey in Glasgow, so all it does is make the journey more complex and longer rather than any more flexible than the FOS.

I suppose you could argue the Virgin First provision is better than TPE but the FOS remains an exceptionally well priced ticket, especially compared to my other TPE example.

Having now got access to a full computer, I have also discovered that in addition to what I said previously, this was also possibly due to cluster-pricing. See the two flows at the bottom of the list.

I didn't say the Virgin-priced Advances are good value, only attempted to explain why they existed.