I need to do a return trip into London from Gravesend next week and ideally would like to arrive at St Pancras.
Is an anytime SDR Gravesend - Boundary z4 any permitted and an annual zones 1-4 Oyster card valid into St Pancras?
Thanks
I need to do a return trip into London from Gravesend next week and ideally would like to arrive at St Pancras.
Is an anytime SDR Gravesend - Boundary z4 any permitted and an annual zones 1-4 Oyster card valid into St Pancras?
Thanks
10. Do you accept Oyster cards on your network?
We accept season tickets on Oyster on our network (within the valid zones)
But also consider:
The Oyster map states only that Oyster Pay As You Go is not valid on HS1 routes. It shows trains pass through Stratford International in Zone 3.
The southeastern website's FAQ says:
The route on the extension ticket is ANY PERMITTED.
The only tickets valid are point to point tickets marked 'plus high speed' for the journey you want to make.
That is not true - Southeastern do advertise that certain tickets routed Any Permitted are valid for use on HS1. Less well publicised is the fact it specifically states in the franchise agreement that all tickets shown in the National Routeing Guide as valid via CTRL must be accepted - which includes various tickets neither routed Plus High Speed nor Any Permitted.
I do not think so since there are no stations on HS1 in zone 4.
But also consider:
The Oyster map states only that Oyster Pay As You Go is not valid on HS1 routes. It shows trains pass through Stratford International in Zone 3.
The southeastern website's FAQ says:
The route on the extension ticket is ANY PERMITTED.
Now, a Gravesend to Boundary Zone 2 ticket might be a different story if one wanted to change at Stratford Int SE, walk to Stratford London, and continue to London Liverpool Street...
But isn't an in-boundary travelcard and a BZ extension treated as one ticket, so the extension isn't valid because the travelcard isn't?
isn't an in-boundary travelcard and a BZ extension treated as one ticket, so the extension isn't valid because the travelcard isn't?
I don't think that a piece of card showing origin and destination of the boundary of a zone and a named railway station is a ticket at all. By itself, it is not a pass entitling the holder to board a train, a bus, a plane, or other means of transportation. Instead, it has the status of a voucher which, when used with a valid ticket, extends the validity of that ticket.Which official document says that an inboundary Travelcard and a BZ ticket are treated as one ticket?
clearly states that travelcards are not valid on SE High Speed services between St Pancras and Stratford International.
Despite being shown as such on ATOC and SouthEastern maps, Stratford International and St Pancras International (SET) stations lie outwith the London Zones.
see TFL CoCCan you post a link to this, as this very question came up fairly recently, but I've been unable to find that thread.
Not available onSoutheastern high speed trains,
Heathrow Express and on Heathrow Connect
services between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow
or on the Emirates Air Line
Travelcards
Travelcards are zonal tickets allowing unlimited travel on London's public transport network. They can be issued for travel on any one day, seven consecutive days or for regular commuters, any period between one month and a year. Travelcards are available for travel from stations throughout London and the home counties, the south and south east and further afield on some routes.
Travelcards can be issued in a range of zonal combinations and subject to the zones purchased, you can use your Travelcard on:
- Tube, Docklands Light Railway (DLR) and National Rail services (but not Heathrow Express or Heathrow Connect services between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow)
- Travelcards routed 'Plus High Speed' or 'Any Permitted + HS' are valid on Southeastern high speed services
- All London Bus services (except some special services and excursions) regardless of the zones for which the ticket is issued
- London Tramlink services where the Travelcard is valid for travel in Zone 3, 4, 5 or 6 or any combination of these zones
That is as maybe but the TFL website (and bearing in mind an inboundary travelcard is a TfL product which they price) clearly states that travelcards are not valid on SE High Speed services between St Pancras and Stratford International. It also lists Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect between Hayes and the Airport as not being valid either.
Or I am assuming you will also state its valid on the latter two regardless as it appears on the map!
I don't think that a piece of card showing origin and destination of the boundary of a zone and a named railway station is a ticket at all. By itself, it is not a pass entitling the holder to board a train, a bus, a plane, or other means of transportation. Instead, it has the status of a voucher which, when used with a valid ticket, extends the validity of that ticket.
see TFL CoC
Although it is implied, that quote from National Rail doesn't actually say that normal Travelcards are not permitted on HS1. Nor does it say that the travelcards is discusses are the only travelcards valid on HS1, even though it may be what they intended to say.or from National Rail
But isn't an in-boundary travelcard and a BZ extension treated as one ticket, so the extension isn't valid because the travelcard isn't?
Which official document says that an inboundary Travelcard and a BZ ticket are treated as one ticket?
How about a boundary zone 2 - Ashford It ticket combined with a Zne 1-2 Tvlcd. The journey in question is Hampstead Heath to Stratford (the Tvlcd) not being valid past Hackney Wick. Then Stratford It to Ashford It. There would be no travelling on Highspeed with a Tvlcd.
Or what about the z1-2 travelcard and a Hackney Wick-Ashford return? £83.00 for a First Day return (which is the same price as BZ2 to Ashford FDR.
Used FDR as the standard class Hackney Wick are "not valid on HS1".
What is the relevance of the Travelcard in this case?
The ticket you mentioned is valid between St Pancake and Kent on High Speed by itself.
I don't know, but every time someone suggests that a travelcard and BZ ticket is an example of 2 zonal tickets, someone else comes along and says no, the BZ ticket is just an extension of the travelcard, like an excess, and not valid without the travelcard. You can't have it both ways!