Also, these nurses on low wage and poor conditions that people go on about are only the basic level nurses. Nurses have career progression into specialties, private healthcare etc. Infact a friend of my wife's is a nurse and earns considerably more than I do. Train driving is basically a dead end job with no career progression or ability to move into better paid areas. Police are exactly the same-a rank and file PC may be badly paid compared to a train driver but once they have worked up a senior detective or management police rank can be very, very well paid.
This appears to only ever be getting worse with the employment policies of LU/TfL, many TOCs and other railway operators. This is not exclusively a TfL problem.
Progression from an operational position into operational management was, until recently, a realistic career progression pathway, even with a large pool of say, CSAs to pick from for a supervisor role, only a few of these have any wish to progress their career within the natural role, so those who wished to progress could logically do so if compitant and having the drive to do so, the same from Station Supervisor, to Duty Station Manager, Group Station Manager etc.
The same could be said of drivers (feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong A-Driver, 455Driver et al.), where one could move from 'Driver' to 'Instructor Operator', DTSM, and other managment roles.
It seems that today, and for a few years now, the senior management would much rather put into position a graduate of two to three years 'scheme' experience into a local managerial position. One can read into this what you like around the problems of a non-progressed supervisor and motivation of local staff to have respect and ultimately, obedience for/to this new local manager, as well as the obvious implication that an ex. graduate will likely not be a unionized member of staff, especially those placed into such positions. For now I will disregard this as it is a matter for another conversation.
The direct implication is the effective removal of role progression for members of station staff (the prominent part of this thread, I would not care to get into an argument regarding driver management at the moment).
So if one where a member of station staff, say at a CSA grade, or even progressed as far as possible by taking all specialisms to be a ticket office member of staff in an attempt to progress one's career, one cannot now progress into any management role as it is full of graduates parachuted in by the company. One would also struggle into a supervisory position as these are now starting to be filled by 'operational apprentices'.
I have little point to this, just a matter of information that almost any traditionally employed CSA, TOA, Driver, etc. is no longer likely to have any natural progression within a transport company, as used to exist. Unlike any of the other professions I have seen banded around in this thread.
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Can't tube drivers become managers of other tube drivers, and then promoted into general LU management?
See above,
Not really, and any sideways movement in an attempt to do so would likely result in a significant pay (and conditions) cut in an attempt to do so.
Deleted coz I cant be bothered to answer all the ill informed rubbish that posters (who dont even seem to know what the strike is actually about "its all about greed" :roll
seem happy to put their names too!
The posts just prove that you have never had a job where you are in fear of losing your job in the name of saving money, if you want to believe its all about a better underground then believe what you want, it certainly wont be better for the travelling public or visitors thats for sure!
Here here on this.
I honestly doubt that any of the anti-union posters in this thread have ever been in a position of dispute with their employer, and if they have, did not have the wherewithal to bring union representation to the table. Nor do I expect that they come into work every day seeing their conditions slowly eroded in the name of efficiency or cost savings.
And please, don't try and claim that I post based on my own greed, if I where greedy I would not work in the sector I work in, (see top left), as a member of professional engineering institutions, you should realize that if I wanted to make money, I would not have taken my qualifications and become an engineer, not in this country.