priv discount to be allowed on off peak tickets

[Marklund]

The "get some time in" comment is the stupidest comment of all, and I suggest you think about what the words actually mean. I joined 7 years ago therefore how can I "get some time in"? Even if I worked for another 10 years I couldn't do that!!

Right, the "get some time in" was a direct quote from you.
Yes, it was in reference to something you've allegedly seen on Connect, and it is impossible to turn back time.

Anyway, you joined more than 10 years after free* travel disappeared, so it was well clear you wouldn't get. I know of someone who was interviewed when it was a BRIS IMU, and started a week after it became an IMC, and didn't get free* travel- now that is unfair.

And no-one has suggested that priv travel is taken away from anyone!!

So what do you think the nothing in

It should be all or nothing.

actually means?

What people are asking for is parity in some way. Yes we knew that we weren't going to get it when we joined, but with this apparent extension to SOME staff surely something could be given to us?

As I've said before,

However, I totally agree. It's a poor show that some do, and some don't.

If you're genuinely upset about parity and the two tier workforce within Network Rail, I'm looking forward to see your campaign to bring back, and unfreeze BRASS matching payments, and for the IMCs to be harmonized on the same decent conditions.
These things are worth thousands per annum, and much, much more important than a pass for a train.

Or perhaps you are one of those "oldtimers" who think that we "new guns" aren't worthy of being called signalmen even though some of us pull the same levers and press the same block bells as you do/did.

I'm not a signalman. Please remember that there is more than just signalmen within NR... :roll:

I thought we were supposed to be a big family? There appears to be more support from the non-signalling or TOC staff on here sometimes!!

Let me make this absolutely crystal for you.
In my opinion, work for NR = you should get free* travel.
Happy now?

*It's not free

 

[quarella]

Rail travel should be free throughout for ALL staff! I do the same job as my colleague , the only difference being I am post privatisation he is pre. And to continue my moan, his pension is better than mine as well!

How far back do we take the benefits? My staff travel card has various endorsements listed such as Tyne and Wear Metro, Wightlink, P&O, Caledonian MacBrayne. People who started their rail career earlier than me have some or all of these as part of their staff travel.

 

[BEF7439]

Is there any official word on whether this is definitely happening yet?

 

[Sleepy]

Wonder if we will find any mention with the new TOCNE cards being posted out today ?

 

[reb0118]

My staff travel card has various endorsements listed such as.......Caledonian MacBrayne.

There's damn few of those (and they're all deid!) at least at my depot.

The "get some time in" comment is the stupidest comment of all, and I suggest you think about what the words actually mean. I joined 7 years ago therefore how can I "get some time in"? Even if I worked for another 10 years I couldn't do that!!

Just a thought ~ if you can't "get the time in" yourself then simply "get someone else's in". If you marry a safeguarded member of staff then you are entitled to staff travel facilities as their spouse.

That said if you are already married then this can cause some matrimonial friction.

If there are any eligible young (or not so young) safeguarded females out there there then I'm your man. Own teeth required as well as a GSOH (in Scotland this means Good Salary Own Home).

Applications on a postcard to.............

 

[Sleepy]

:cry: No mention of changes on the new cards just issued.

 

[Llanigraham]

:cry: No mention of changes on the new cards just issued.

Sounds like it was a pile of bull excrement then. Shame.

 

[Minilad]

I was under the impression the new rules were going to start in September. In which case they couldn't put anything on the new TOCNE cards yet

 

[SPADTrap]

Airlines share airports, and sell each others' products/tickets. Would it, in your opinion, be morally okay for a member of airline staff to (were it possible) allow a member of staff from another airline free travel?



Because you can't think of a response?

No. I just laughed...you know..ha ha? Would hate to laugh at a joke near you eh!
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Glad I amused you. Question wasn't meant to be funny. Made in a spirit of enquiry. I was after some idea of the thinking of higher management toward rail staff giving and receiving free travel above and beyond the staff travel facilities already offered.

It appears some of you do, some of you don't. That can't be an ideal situation when there might be a refusal. Or if there is an encounter with RPIs after free travel has been given.

Sorry, absoluty fair play. I didn't mean that to sound insulting at you!

Sorry if that's how it was taken

 

[RJ]

Sounds like it was a pile of bull excrement then. Shame.

It was discussed in an internal meeting, but not yet finalised to the point where it's ready to be disclosed to the masses. This was alluded to earlier in this thread - I wouldn't be dismissive of those who have shared information about it.

Some working for the railways are entitled to privilege rate on (Super) Off Peak fares anyway.

 

[david_VI]

I'm not to the railway so still don't understand a lot of this..

So on any other TOC than my own I get 75% off ONLY on standard tickets, not advance or off peak.

So most of the time it's cheaper to get an advance ticket? Say I want to go to Scotland from Euston on holiday in 2 months. It's £54 advance (cheapest fare). All the other tickets are at least over £102.

So with change (if it happens) it won't have any benefit to advance booking?

Still confused with railway tickets as I haven't travelled and bought a ticket on another TOC before.

 

[Urban Gateline]

I'm not to the railway so still don't understand a lot of this..

So on any other TOC than my own I get 75% off ONLY on standard tickets, not advance or off peak.

So most of the time it's cheaper to get an advance ticket? Say I want to go to Scotland from Euston on holiday in 2 months. It's £54 advance (cheapest fare). All the other tickets are at least over £102.

So with change (if it happens) it won't have any benefit to advance booking?

Still confused with railway tickets as I haven't travelled and bought a ticket on another TOC before.

Well if PRIV discount becomes applicable to Off-Peak tickets, here's an example:

London to Glasgow return with Virgin Trains http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=EUS&dest=GLC

Anytime Return: £352 = £88 with PRIV
Off-Peak Return: £130.60 = £32.65 with PRIV

So you can see that the through-fare becomes very good value as long as you abide by the time restrictions applicable to the Off-Peak ticket! Quite hard to beat even the discounted Anytime fare above by using Advance tickets unless you have a Railcard, and of course remembering that the PRIV tickets are very flexible.

 

[Llanigraham]

It was discussed in an internal meeting, but not yet finalised to the point where it's ready to be disclosed to the masses. This was alluded to earlier in this thread - I wouldn't be dismissive of those who have shared information about it.

Some working for the railways are entitled to privilege rate on (Super) Off Peak fares anyway.

But no-one has yet actually shown anything other than conjecture.

And we "new boys" at Network Rail get sweet fanny adams!!

 

[david_VI]

Well if PRIV discount becomes applicable to Off-Peak tickets, here's an example:

London to Glasgow return with Virgin Trains http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=EUS&dest=GLC

Anytime Return: £352 = £88 with PRIV
Off-Peak Return: £130.60 = £32.65 with PRIV

So you can see that the through-fare becomes very good value as long as you abide by the time restrictions applicable to the Off-Peak ticket! Quite hard to beat even the discounted Anytime fare above by using Advance tickets unless you have a Railcard, and of course remembering that the PRIV tickets are very flexible.

Makes more sense thankyou.
Was I wrong in thinking you can't book in advance with PRIV? Or half I got that half correct?

 

[thedbdiboy]

Is there any official word on whether this is definitely happening yet?

It is definately happening, however the announcements will not be until about a month before it takes affect. It's planned to happen at the same time as the September fare round, on 7 September.

As regards some sort of travel benefit for NR staff, there is a lot of logic in it. However, there are some fairly major organisational barriers in the way at the moment, as the way things are currently set up it would impose a not inconsiderable cost on TOCs. I would never say never but any such prospect is still some way off being seriously discussed.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Makes more sense thankyou.
Was I wrong in thinking you can't book in advance with PRIV? Or half I got that half correct?

Priv Anytime Single and Return tickets can be purchased up to one year before travel, but unless you are travelling next year, they won't be any cheaper than those bought on the day.

 

[Llanigraham]

As regards some sort of travel benefit for NR staff, there is a lot of logic in it. However, there are some fairly major organisational barriers in the way at the moment, as the way things are currently set up it would impose a not inconsiderable cost on TOCs. I would never say never but any such prospect is still some way off being seriously discussed.

So it looks like we get dumped on from a great height again!!

And considering that morale within the signalling grades seems to be at an all time low at the moment........................

 

[6Gman]

I don't work for the railway (at least not yet, 30 years of submitting applications to go before I cross the threshold. ) but it is absolutely lovely to see comradeship still going.

I was talking to a driver the other day about priv, in relation to what we conversed about, has anyone here had issues with LO staff and priv?

I turned up at Kentish Town a couple of years back - showed my dated box (retired safeguarded) and was asked "what's this then?" Took some persuading that it was valid on the FCC to St Pancras!
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There's damn few of those (and they're all deid!) at least at my depot.

My mother is still entitled to Free Travel on MacBraynes. Mind you, her privilege travel entitlement started in 1926 (through her father). I'm not entitled to McB's but I do get more boxes (since I reached the giddy heights of Management Staff).

Not that we have any plans to take her to the West Higlands & Isles!



(On a slightly more serious note this does show that there have always been variations and inconsistencies)

 

[mandub]

guess there's been no updates on this suggested change?

full price CDR for my 2 Saturday trips Man Picc to London in October then.
Pity.

 

[Urban Gateline]

guess there's been no updates on this suggested change?

full price CDR for my 2 Saturday trips Man Picc to London in October then.
Pity.

I think there's quite a few of us eagerly awaiting an answer to this!

 

[Haywain]

guess there's been no updates on this suggested change?

full price CDR for my 2 Saturday trips Man Picc to London in October then.
Pity.

Priv will be allowed on all walk-up ticket types* from (and on) September 7th. Pity that the longest trip of the football season is this Saturday!

*I suspect that this may exclude London Travelcards in their various forms.

 

[Urban Gateline]

Priv will be allowed on all walk-up ticket types* from (and on) September 7th. Pity that the longest trip of the football season is this Saturday!

*I suspect that this may exclude London Travelcards in their various forms.

You probably envisaged people were going to ask this, but is this change documented anywhere?

 

[Minilad]

You probably envisaged people were going to ask this, but is this change documented anywhere?

Just beat me to it

 

[Haywain]

I'm not sure if it is documented yet, but my source is impeccable. Have no doubt, it is happening.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

The NFM and FRPP used to be updated four weeks before a fares change, by my reckoning that is Monday next week, if iKB is the same it would be documented at that stage (assuming it is happening).

 

[RJ]

RJIS now has an option to show fares from the next fares round. Might be worth checking to see if it allows a Priv discount on Off Peak fares.

 

[Mattmatt]

HR Colleagues within my TOC called to ask and ATOC are still publicly denying it, so they're keeping very close nit, if the TOC's still don't know and are in the dark. As much as I want to believe this, I'm struggling.....

 

[Haywain]

HR Colleagues within my TOC called to ask and ATOC are still publicly denying it, so they're keeping very close nit, if the TOC's still don't know and are in the dark. As much as I want to believe this, I'm struggling.....

They must be asking the wrong people.

 

[RJ]

This sounds like a project which involves a lot of stakeholders. These projects take time to complete. By the sounds of it, information on the project has been leaked before it has been completed. That much has been confirmed at least twice already in this thread.

Those who are sceptical because it's not yet at the stage where an official announcement can be made ought to take a deep breath and chill out! The provisional date given is September anyway - are people usually so anxious to get hold of walk up tickets so many weeks in advance?

 

[Lucky63]

RJIS now has an option to show fares from the next fares round. Might be worth checking to see if it allows a Priv discount on Off Peak fares.

Just checked. It doesn't show the future fares.