*UPDATED* Idea Greater Bristol area redraw

[TheGrandWazoo]

Hengrove is as well known as any other name in the area. Hartcliffe or Whitchurch wouldnt be any more well known outside of Bristol (and less accurate) and 'South Bristol' wouldnt actually help anybody.




I not sure what’s wrong with 'Street' as a destination! Glastonbury might be slightly better known as a result of the Pilton pop festival, however Street is the obvious destination from the North. Taunton and Yeovil have been tried in the past but haven’t survived. Whilst Bristol to Yeovil might sound good and look good on a network map the benefits of a single, reliable service on the Bristol-Street section far out way the complications of sending every other bus, or every 3rd bus, to Yeovil and back.

The Bowerhill services used to go to Devizes but don’t produce the traffic to justify the service. Melksham for Bowerhill might be a better destination but, again, Melksham isn’t well known outside of the area. TheGrandWazoo has outlined why Bath to Westbury is a none starter because of the train. Badgerline did try it's Swiftlink network and, historically, every major traffic flow from Bristol has had at least one express service introduced but subsequently withdrawn.
Stagecoach do appear to try more things like this, and give them longer, however I doubt they'd actually have achieved anything substantially different with the area. Cheltenham and Gloucester for instance tried an express Cheltenham-Gloucester service that's been dropped and has Forest Green as a destination for several services that people outside the area might realise is a football club but won’t actually know where it is.

Well said Carl, and a few other details from the past

In terms of Bowerhill, it is really just an area of Melksham - displays could probably best say Melksham (Bowerhill). The Devizes section (and in fact, it ran past Devizes to the Lavingtons and Easterton was chopped about 2011 (?) to move from a three/four bus cycle to a two bus diagram - sure someone can confirm. The view was the Melksham to Bath was more viable but that there was sufficient time to run to Bowerhill where there was quite a bit of trade and also to serve the new developments being built off the Sandridge road.

However, I think whilst cutting the Easterton bit back made some sense, chopping Devizes then meant a tendered service on that section that Faresaver took on and then combined with their competitive Bath to Melksham route, giving them a guaranteed income and an increased presence on that corridor, so a bit short sighted.

There was a fast version of the Trowbridge to Bath service running via Monkton Farleigh and Sally in the Woods which was the original X4. Problem is that it is can't save enough time to be attractive to passengers vs the train and via missing out Winsley and Limpley Stoke, it misses out two large villages in favour of one small and rather well heeled one.

The old 308 Bristol to Gloucester service died a death too as north of Thornbury, there just wasn't the population to sustain it. I never used the old SN X96 but again, I wonder if there's really the trade to sustain a Bristol to Taunton service

 

[freetoview33]

As TGW said before, a Bristol to Taunton service might work buy let's face it there would be little end to end traffic. It would be the X1 to Weston then 21 to Taunton. Or 376 to Street then 29 to Taunton. Yes sections of the route might be well used. But there will be dead areas in between. Also the longer the route the increased chance of delays.
And for ages the 376 at wells became the 375 to Yeovil. But again for longer distance buses can't compete with the train. Coach services might but still I doubt the demand is there unless fares were something silly like £1!

If anything National Express need to improve services from Bristol to Cardiff, Plymouth (via Taunton) Birmingham (via Gloucester).

 

[THarris123]

Ok GW and Carl, how would you fix Firsts country services then?

I've said that I would have the routes going to better known places and in some cases have them being extended to achieve that and ftv33 has stated what he'll do, so what would you two do?

The country services obviously aren't working at the moment due to the price hike.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Ok GW and Carl, how would you fix Firsts country services then?

I've said that I would have the routes going to better known places and in some cases have them being extended to achieve that and ftv33 has stated what he'll do, so what would you two do?

The country services obviously aren't working at the moment due to the price hike.

Well, one of the things I suggested has already happened which was the doubling of the Wells to Bath service albeit that I was a straight doubling of the 173 rather than the introduction of the 174. I'd take that up to the next level and look to have 6 x 59 plate B7RLEs refurbished with eLeather and wifi also in the Mendip Blue scheme as its a corridor that I think can be developed further.

The other corridors where rail doesn't provide competition and where there may be latent demand are Bristol to Thornbury. I've long mentioned that those routes should be on a 20 min frequency and I'd have the 667** B7RLEs on there. I know they've been numbered in the city series - I'd have X'ed them and send them via Abbey Wood and the M32 into town.

Another corridor is the Bath to Melksham route. Melksham is growth exponentially to the east with the Sandridge road development and more round Bowerhill. Therefore, with that and the Faresaver competition, it might be worth a doubling - use some more 667** B7RLEs? Try to make it a differentiated service etc rather than just battering Faresaver.

As for the 231, the traffic is more along the route than end to end. Corsham/Rudloe is where much of the traffic comes from, either into Bath or Chippers. Keep it every 30 mins, use 32349-54 with dateless plates, promo livery (e.g. red front) and stress the wifi. They might not want to do too much more at the moment as they might not want to start a big fight with Faresaver; clearly hurting Rotala is the primary aim at the moment.

Routes like the 375 and 377 will have to have DDA compliant fleet and it'll be interesting to see what they get. We don't know yet and it is idle speculation but might be something like 54 or 55 plate B7RLEs (377) and 05 plate Darts (375) with eLeather and wifi but I can't see anything fundamental changing with either route in terms of route or frequency.

As for fare levels, some promotional fares etc on the above changes might be the way forward.

 

[carlberry]

Ok GW and Carl, how would you fix Firsts country services then?

I've said that I would have the routes going to better known places and in some cases have them being extended to achieve that and ftv33 has stated what he'll do, so what would you two do?

The country services obviously aren't working at the moment due to the price hike.

I don’t see the price hike as evidence that the country services aren't working. First tried an experiment with a price reduction that had a major revenue hit. I've read/heard somewhere that a lot of the extra passengers this produced are short journey passengers and a lot are in the Bristol area. So, I suspect, the recent change is to correct this.

All the recent evidence (especially since JF's arrival) is that First are trying the model that has worked well for Stagecoach of promoting those routes that have a chance of growth (and have a half decent frequency). The 376 is evidence of this and the recent city services. Only time will tell if the operational side can cope with providing the vehicles to match the ideas (the 70/71 still has too many none-dedicated vehicles on it for example) and if this is followed through.

So my ‘fix’ is purely to get the operational aspect right. Extending the 376 to Yeovil (as an example) is unlikely to get more than a couple of extra passengers (i.e. if you wanted to do the journey by bus you’d just change services now anyway) whereas a properly promoted, reliable, highly visible Bristol-Street service stands a good chance of getting real extra passengers.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

So my ‘fix’ is purely to get the operational aspect right. Extending the 376 to Yeovil (as an example) is unlikely to get more than a couple of extra passengers (i.e. if you wanted to do the journey by bus you’d just change services now anyway) whereas a properly promoted, reliable, highly visible Bristol-Street service stands a good chance of getting real extra passengers.

Exactly Carl. My missive was much along the lines of developing those corridors where the growth will be greatest.

I've mentioned it before in relation to the 376, but the Stagecoach 66 to Oxford is the template to use in developing a route.

Dreadful to be in Chippenham and see the Stagecoach 55 and then compare to the 231.

 

[freetoview33]

Exactly Carl. My missive was much along the lines of developing those corridors where the growth will be greatest.

I've mentioned it before in relation to the 376, but the Stagecoach 66 to Oxford is the template to use in developing a route.

Dreadful to be in Chippenham and see the Stagecoach 55 and then compare to the 231.

I wonder what will happen to the 66 when(if) the Bristol - Oxford train is brought back!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I wonder what will happen to the 66 when(if) the Bristol - Oxford train is brought back!

Not much. Oxford station is not central and with places like Faringdon and Southmoor destined for substantial housing development, the growth is likely to continue (which is why Stagecoach have targeted it)

 

[freetoview33]

I have still been refining the plan. I have come up with a night network, which I think covers most areas! (Each hourly, throughout the night)

1: Temple Meads - Broadmead - Centre - Clifton - Downs - Westbury - Henbury - Cribbs Causeway
5: Temple Meads - Broadmead - Centre - Clifton - Downs - Coombe Dingle - Shirehampton - Avonmouth - Lawrence Weston - Henbury - Cribbs Causeway
10: Southmead Hospital - Horfield - Lockleaze - Eastville - St Werburghs - Montpelier - Stokes Croft - Centre
20: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Hotwells - Long Ashton - Flax Bourton - Backwell - Cleeve - Yatton - Congresbury - Hewish - West Wick - Weston-super-Mare
22: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Hotwells - Long Ashton - Wraxall - Nailsea - Clevedon
23: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Hotwells - Abbots Leigh - Pill - Sheepway - Portishead
31: Broadmead - Centre - Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - St Annes - Broomhill - Brislington - Keynsham
X34: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - Brislington - Saltford - Newton St Loe - Bath Bus Station
39: Bristol Airport - Hengrove - Knowle - Brislington - Keynsham - Saltford - Newton St Loe - Bath Bus Station
44: Centre - Broadmead - Lawrence Hill - St George - Kingswood - Oldland Common - Bitton
47: Centre - Broadmead - Lawrence Hill - St George - Hanham Common - Longwell Green - Cadbury Heath
52: Broadmead - Centre - Temple Meads - Totterdown - Knowle - Stockwood
55: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Temple Meads - Whitchurch - Pensford - Clutton - Wells
X63: Bristol Bus Station - Winterbourne - Frampton Cotterell - Coalpit Heath - Yate - Chipping Sodbury
66: Centre - Broadmead - Easton - Eastville - Fishponds - Staple Hill - Mangotsfield - Emersons Green
72: Temple Meads - Centre - Stokes Croft - Redland - Henleaze - Horfield - Filton - U.W.E
74: Temple Meads - Centre - Stokes Croft - Bishopston - Horfield - Southmead - Charlton - Cribbs Causeway
76: Temple Meads - Centre - Stokes Croft - Bishopston - Horfield - Filton - Bristol Parkway - Bradley Stoke - Aztec West - Patchway - Cribbs Causeway
X90: Bristol Bus Station - Temple Meads - Bedminster Down - Bristol Airport
92: Broadmead - Centre - Redcliffe - Bedminster - Bedminster Down - Withywood - Hartcliffe - Hengrove Park - Hengrove
94: Broadmead - Centre - Redcliffe - Bedminster - Inns Court - Whitchurch -Hengrove Park - Hengrove

 

[THarris123]

I have still been refining the plan. I have come up with a night network, which I think covers most areas! (Each hourly, throughout the night)

1: Temple Meads - Broadmead - Centre - Clifton - Downs - Westbury - Henbury - Cribbs Causeway
5: Temple Meads - Broadmead - Centre - Clifton - Downs - Coombe Dingle - Shirehampton - Avonmouth - Lawrence Weston - Henbury - Cribbs Causeway
10: Southmead Hospital - Horfield - Lockleaze - Eastville - St Werburghs - Montpelier - Stokes Croft - Centre
20: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Hotwells - Long Ashton - Flax Bourton - Backwell - Cleeve - Yatton - Congresbury - Hewish - West Wick - Weston-super-Mare
22: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Hotwells - Long Ashton - Wraxall - Nailsea - Clevedon
23: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Hotwells - Abbots Leigh - Pill - Sheepway - Portishead
31: Broadmead - Centre - Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - St Annes - Broomhill - Brislington - Keynsham
X34: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - Brislington - Saltford - Newton St Loe - Bath Bus Station
39: Bristol Airport - Hengrove - Knowle - Brislington - Keynsham - Saltford - Newton St Loe - Bath Bus Station
44: Centre - Broadmead - Lawrence Hill - St George - Kingswood - Oldland Common - Bitton
47: Centre - Broadmead - Lawrence Hill - St George - Hanham Common - Longwell Green - Cadbury Heath
52: Broadmead - Centre - Temple Meads - Totterdown - Knowle - Stockwood
55: Bristol Bus Station - Centre - Temple Meads - Whitchurch - Pensford - Clutton - Wells
X63: Bristol Bus Station - Winterbourne - Frampton Cotterell - Coalpit Heath - Yate - Chipping Sodbury
66: Centre - Broadmead - Easton - Eastville - Fishponds - Staple Hill - Mangotsfield - Emersons Green
72: Temple Meads - Centre - Stokes Croft - Redland - Henleaze - Horfield - Filton - U.W.E
74: Temple Meads - Centre - Stokes Croft - Bishopston - Horfield - Southmead - Charlton - Cribbs Causeway
76: Temple Meads - Centre - Stokes Croft - Bishopston - Horfield - Filton - Bristol Parkway - Bradley Stoke - Aztec West - Patchway - Cribbs Causeway
X90: Bristol Bus Station - Temple Meads - Bedminster Down - Bristol Airport
92: Broadmead - Centre - Redcliffe - Bedminster - Bedminster Down - Withywood - Hartcliffe - Hengrove Park - Hengrove
94: Broadmead - Centre - Redcliffe - Bedminster - Inns Court - Whitchurch -Hengrove Park - Hengrove

Still seems to be a lot of unnecessary renumbering, not to mention the facts that a) there won't be enough drivers to cover all of this and b) there won't be enough passenger demand for an hourly night service on most of these services

 

[ValleyLines142]

Still seems to be a lot of unnecessary renumbering, not to mention the facts that a) there won't be enough drivers to cover all of this and b) there won't be enough passenger demand for an hourly night service on most of these services

Agreed. Furthermore, there is also no direct service between town and UWE, only via the 72 route, and also Bitton and Cadbury Heath and the proposed 94 (which seems to be the present day 90) does not justify a night service.

You have also cut down on the Temple Meads services too (I'm sorry to sound harsh but I really don't understand your obsession with Temple Meads; I swear you think it's the new Waterloo, Leeds or Manchester Piccadilly ). The 1 and the 5 only need to start from Broadmead. There aren't enough night trains at Temple Meads to justify all of those.

Other than that, a fair shout!

 

[freetoview33]

Still seems to be a lot of unnecessary renumbering, not to mention the facts that a) there won't be enough drivers to cover all of this and b) there won't be enough passenger demand for an hourly night service on most of these services

This is if we were starting from a blank canvas! With a publicly owned not for profit company.
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Agreed. Furthermore, there is also no direct service between town and UWE, only via the 72 route, and also Bitton and Cadbury Heath and the proposed 94 (which seems to be the present day 90) does not justify a night service.

You have also cut down on the Temple Meads services too (I'm sorry to sound harsh but I really don't understand your obsession with Temple Meads; I swear you think it's the new Waterloo, Leeds or Manchester Piccadilly ). The 1 and the 5 only need to start from Broadmead. There aren't enough night trains at Temple Meads to justify all of those.

Other than that, a fair shout!

Does there need to be a direct service throughout the night to U.W.E ? There is a service so!

Remember this is only night services all the other services are still there! There is a need for services arriving at Temple Meads from about 04:30 and once rail improvements are made I can see earlier rail services! Temple Meads is growing very fast. And so is the area around there.

And as I said it is 1 of 3 main termini 1) Centre 2) Broadmead 3) Temple Meads.

Bristol's Centre is still really around "Broadmead" and Castle Park. You need to get away from the obsession that the fountains are the centre of Bristol.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

This is if we were starting from a blank canvas! With a publicly owned not for profit company.

Sorry but TH123 is right. There's a difference in being "not for profit" and running services for no passengers. Whilst I could arguably see an 24 hr X39, running buses through Yatton at 3am every day....think it's rather over optimistic.

 

[THarris123]

Sorry but TH123 is right. There's a difference in being "not for profit" and running services for no passengers. Whilst I could arguably see an 24 hr X39, running buses through Yatton at 3am every day....think it's rather over optimistic.

I never thought i'd see the day when I read that!

I think the 376 could run an hour later and possibly a hour earlier in the morning, then X39 should be 24 hour, as well as X1. Then in Bristol have 1 night service to Hengrove, 1 to UWE and a couple of others. I can't see there's the demand or the drivers available to the extent you want as GW says.

However, I do agree with your plans for Temple Meads. It maybe could have 1 hourly service overnight but that's it. Using it as a terminus point during the day is a good idea, but it shouldn't be really used as some sort of replacement to the centre.

Maybe a later service on the Thornbury routes and maybe in Bath a 24 hour service on the 14 or 13?

 

[D6975]

There's also a big gap between Kingswood and Staple Hill with no coverage.
When Wessex ran the old nightbus service, there used to be one that went out to Downend via Fishponds (48 route), turned right up to Staple Hill, straight across to the Turnpike, then turned right, went through Hillfields, down Lodge Causeway to the Fishponds Road and the back into Town. This one route provided a service to a very large area and was quite well used on the occasions that I used it.

Firstbus claim that the service 6 is now a nightbus, but it's rubbish. The last one runs at 00:55 from town and then there's nothing till the usual 05:00 ish.

ps although the service I mentioned above did quite a circuit, the old nightbus managed to do the complete Centre-Centre journey in about 40 mins, so just one bus and one driver.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I never thought i'd see the day when I read that!

I think the 376 could run an hour later and possibly a hour earlier in the morning, then X39 should be 24 hour, as well as X1. Then in Bristol have 1 night service to Hengrove, 1 to UWE and a couple of others. I can't see there's the demand or the drivers available to the extent you want as GW says.

However, I do agree with your plans for Temple Meads. It maybe could have 1 hourly service overnight but that's it. Using it as a terminus point during the day is a good idea, but it shouldn't be really used as some sort of replacement to the centre.

Maybe a later service on the Thornbury routes and maybe in Bath a 24 hour service on the 14 or 13?

Don't know why you're surprised. I sometimes hold different opinions to some people and even cross swords but it's never personal. If people say things that I agree with (subjective) or are correct (objective) then I'll always say; likewise, if I've not explained myself as well as I should, or I'm just plain wrong, then best just to say so. I ain't proud

I don't know about any other 24 hr services in Bath other than the Uni services or the X39. Maybe some later journeys (Fri/Sat pm) on some routes like the Thornbury route and the 376 might be worth a trial

 

[THarris123]

Don't know why you're surprised. I sometimes hold different opinions to some people and even cross swords but it's never personal. If people say things that I agree with (subjective) or are correct (objective) then I'll always say; likewise, if I've not explained myself as well as I should, or I'm just plain wrong, then best just to say so. I ain't proud

I don't know about any other 24 hr services in Bath other than the Uni services or the X39. Maybe some later journeys (Fri/Sat pm) on some routes like the Thornbury route and the 376 might be worth a trial

Ok it was only a joke. Due to most of the cr*p that I come up with it's not very often people agree with me

I still think a 24 hour service on 13 and 14 would be good though.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Ok it was only a joke. Due to most of the cr*p that I come up with it's not very often people agree with me

I still think a 24 hour service on 13 and 14 would be good though.

No worries - like I say, I ain't proud

I just wonder where the all night trade for services in Bath comes from? Students are the obvious one for the U1 and perhaps the 15 and the X39 Possibly a later journey or two (if only on a Fri/Sat night) on stuff like the 10?

 

[ValleyLines142]

Does there need to be a direct service throughout the night to U.W.E ? There is a service so!

Yes, but your proposal appears to follow the route of the current 72, which takes about 45 minutes. Why would any students who have been on a night out in town want to get a bus back to UWE via Redland and Cotham? Admittedly in the middle of the night it wouldn't take as long, but the current 70 which runs all night does the journey from town to UWE in about 25 minutes. THAT is more appealling to students who go out in town and want to go back to halls. Furthermore, the current route via Gloucester Road/Ashley Down is far more deserving due to the number of bars and takeaways. Believe me, I've just graduated from UWE; I know it better than anyone else on here!

I'm not saying there should be two routes; you only need the 70.

In fact, on the subject, I think Bristol's night services are just right at the moment.

Bristol's Centre is still really around "Broadmead" and Castle Park. You need to get away from the obsession that the fountains are the centre of Bristol.

At what point have I said the Centre is only the fountains? To me, the Centre includes EVERYWHERE, from Cabot Circus to the Harbourside through to Broadmead and Baldwin Street. Temple Meads isn't exactly the centre.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

On reflection, think it should be a standard 24/7 39 Bristol to Bath.

 

[vicbury]

At what point have I said the Centre is only the fountains? To me, the Centre includes EVERYWHERE, from Cabot Circus to the Harbourside through to Broadmead and Baldwin Street. Temple Meads isn't exactly the centre.

The Centre is the fountains; 'town' encompasses the above. That's how all Bristolians I know see it. As for city centre I've never heard anyone in Bristol use that term.

 

[ValleyLines142]

The Centre is the fountains; 'town' encompasses the above. That's how all Bristolians I know see it. As for city centre I've never heard anyone in Bristol use that term.

See this is how I also looked at it following a discussion when buses changed to say 'city centre'. Then everyone else seemed to imply dfferent.

 

[vicbury]

See this is how I also looked at it following a discussion when buses changed to say 'city centre'. Then everyone else seemed to imply dfferent.

I guess City Centre sounds more important and makes more sense to non-locals than Town. As The Centre is part of the city centre, it must get rather confusing for those not familiar with the local terminology; thus First just using the broadbrush city centre destination.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

See this is how I also looked at it following a discussion when buses changed to say 'city centre'. Then everyone else seemed to imply dfferent.

I'm with Vicbury on this one. The "Centre" is the area around the fountains aka Colston Avenue aka the old Tramways Centre (the derivation).

City Centre is a more amorphous term and could be Horsefair, Broadmead, Nelson Street et al but I've never heard people call it other than Town. Temple Meads is not even City Centre to me but appreciate its not a definitive area!

 

[ValleyLines142]

I'm with Vicbury on this one. The "Centre" is the area around the fountains aka Colston Avenue aka the old Tramways Centre (the derivation).

City Centre is a more amorphous term and could be Horsefair, Broadmead, Nelson Street et al but I've never heard people call it other than Town. Temple Meads is not even City Centre to me but appreciate its not a definitive area!

Exactly! Which I have since understood. Hence why I'm not quite sure why FTV33 has said the centre is not just the fountains only.

 

[freetoview33]

Yes, but your proposal appears to follow the route of the current 72, which takes about 45 minutes. Why would any students who have been on a night out in town want to get a bus back to UWE via Redland and Cotham? Admittedly in the middle of the night it wouldn't take as long, but the current 70 which runs all night does the journey from town to UWE in about 25 minutes. THAT is more appealling to students who go out in town and want to go back to halls. Furthermore, the current route via Gloucester Road/Ashley Down is far more deserving due to the number of bars and takeaways. Believe me, I've just graduated from UWE; I know it better than anyone else on here!

I'm not saying there should be two routes; you only need the 70.

In fact, on the subject, I think Bristol's night services are just right at the moment.



At what point have I said the Centre is only the fountains? To me, the Centre includes EVERYWHERE, from Cabot Circus to the Harbourside through to Broadmead and Baldwin Street. Temple Meads isn't exactly the centre.

No as the current 72 goes via Whiteladies! Not Cheltenham Road as my version would. So my new 72 would be faster.
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Also to me it is the following

1) Broad Quay/Fountain area/Colston Hall/O2 Academy is St Augustines aka Tramways Centre.
2) Then there is the old city around Corn Street ect. ST nicks, clare street
3) The City Centre (Being the cross roads, of Corn Street, Wine Street, High street, Broad Street, castle park/Bristol bridge.
4) Broadmead (Horsefair and union street and obviously the shops!!)
5) Cabot Circus.
6) Temple (Around Temple Meads and Victoria Street)
7) Redcliffe
8) Old Market (Although I wouldn't exactly say it was part of it but part of it is!)
9) Cannons Marsh (@bristol)
10) College Green
11) Part of Spike Island
12) Part of Kingsdown, BRI/Bus Station

All of this I would call the "Central Area" and "The Centre of Bristol". Basically calling Bristol Bridge the City Centre.

 

[ValleyLines142]

No as the current 72 goes via Whiteladies! Not Cheltenham Road as my version would. So my new 72 would be faster.

Sorry I didn't see it would serve Stokes Croft, I just saw Redland and assumed it was the 72. If it's going via Henleaze, which sounds like the old Wessex 15, that's even less appealing!

 

[freetoview33]

Sorry I didn't see it would serve Stokes Croft, I just saw Redland and assumed it was the 72. If it's going via Henleaze, which sounds like the old Wessex 15, that's even less appealing!

The old 15 served whiteladies too! My 72 wouldn't go anywhere near there! It would go up Cheltenham Road, then turn into Zetland Road, up Redland Road. Then onto Coldharbour road. Then Linden road, northumbria drive ,Henleaze road. Wellington hill west. Muller road then rejoin at Filton ave

 

[ValleyLines142]

I'm not quite sure what the relation with Whiteladies Road is? I'm merely referring to the fact that both the 15 and the 72 take (or have taken in the case of the 15) a long route from town to UWE.

You simply need a nightbus that goes straight up Gloucester Road and Filton Avenue. No detours, just one direct route (either via the current 70 or 71).

 

[WelshBluebird]

No worries - like I say, I ain't proud

I just wonder where the all night trade for services in Bath comes from? Students are the obvious one for the U1 and perhaps the 15 and the X39 Possibly a later journey or two (if only on a Fri/Sat night) on stuff like the 10?

Regarding the 10 I'd be surprised if that couldn't be rolled into some of the U1 night journeys and made into something like the U10 run by Wessex or the older version of the route run by First, taking the normal route from the uni through town and then up Oldfield Park and Southdown then back again, running via Upper Oldfield Park. Considering First have decided there is demand to run the U1 24/7 this year and there must be some demand for later 10 services (due to the push of students further up Coronation Avenue towards Southdown).