Does Southern need more 313s? What with the new 700s, there's a load of 377s being released from Thameslink duties.
Is there not due to be some class 377's going to SouthEasterm, so would these be replaced by the class 313's from GN which are going to be replaced by the LO class 710 units when they arrive?
The Moorgate line isn't going to become LO until after 2020 is it? So those new 70n's will already be in service and still GN branded for at least two years won't they?
Upto 25x 377 (probably /1) go to Southeastern
Can the 377/1s couple to the existing Southeastern class 375s and work in multiple or would they be a separate fleet?
Can the 377/1s couple to the existing Southeastern class 375s and work in multiple or would they be a separate fleet?
442s are currently down for every single line in the UK now I think!Why would they need more 313's when they have 442's beginning to come off job.....
...its not like they are going to TPE......
*ducks!*
No, no and no... Well, the first is still not finalised, additional 313s to Southern is definitely not confirmed (if nothing else, for parts) and how on earth did you come to conclude that London Overground's Class 710s are being diverted to Great Northern?
Why would they need more 313's when they have 442's beginning to come off job.....
...its not like they are going to TPE......
*ducks!*
Oops... sorry I meant the class 700/1's replacing in part the class 313's when they come on stream.
Problem is that the class 313's are more disability compliant than the class 442's. As much as I think that the class 442's are a good train, there is not much scope for it to continue on pass 2019.
The 377/1/3 s were originally 375s so I would assume so
Wrong again. The Class 700/1 is the 12 car Desiro City variant. If you mean the peak-hour Welwyn stoppers that will be going over to Thameslink, those will be serviced by the 8-car 700/0s.
I suspect Robbies is referring to the Moorgate replacement stock, which some helpful soul has decided to include on the class 700 wikipedia page (as well as somebody who decided that they are going to be 700/2s on the desiro city wiki page!). They haven't been assigned a class number yet, as far as I know, and if they are given a 700 subclass I'd be massively surprised.
I suspect Robbies is referring to the Moorgate replacement stock, which some helpful soul has decided to include on the class 700 wikipedia page (as well as somebody who decided that they are going to be 700/2s on the desiro city wiki page!). They haven't been assigned a class number yet, as far as I know, and if they are given a 700 subclass I'd be massively surprised.
It is on the TfL wish list but nothing more.
The 377 plan in brief:
Most of the TL 377/5 go on to GN routes.
TL 377/2s and some 377/5 go to southern.
Upto 25x 377 (probably /1) go to Southeastern
377/3 and some more 4 car 377 (presumably what ever Selhurst has to even up mileages as required etc) transfer to Southern Metro services to increase the number of 10 car services.
The 455 plan had been that they would be less intensively used as they get older and less reliable so it would make sense if this also applied to the South Coast 313 for reliability reasons (Which would require a few extras from GN) and then there is separate case for a few extras to cope with growing demand.
It all makes sense but would require DfT's agreement as it is management contract so would probably need to cover itself without extra subsidy.
wouldn't 319s make more sense or am I missing something
They have toilets and superior build plus newer etc and surely loads unaccounted for still
wouldn't 319s make more sense or am I missing something
They have toilets and superior build plus newer etc and surely loads unaccounted for still
No, but I'm not sure they'd need much work to make the compliant. They're fairly similar to the SWT 455s inside, and they did not need a lot of work to be compliant. I know the 313s don't have compliant door sounders, do they have a Call for Aid fitted?Obviously the PEP-based units do not have toilets, but did the Southern refurbishment take care of disabled access compliancy?
I know the 313s don't have compliant door sounders, do they have a Call for Aid fitted?
377/7 will also be added to metro services full time as the 377/2 & /5 will take over Milton Keynes trains as 8 coaches AFAIK