Crash Survivors

[158747]

the Ladbroke grove HST coaches were renumbered,having survived southall if i recall and were then hidden at minehead for months until renumbered, presumably still in traffic

The HST coaches that survived Southall and Ladbroke Grove were not renumbered and are still in service with GWR, still carrying their original numbers.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Wasn't there a tale of a "cursed" 47 during the 1970s or 80s which was eventually renumbered after being involved in a couple of incidents?

 

[theageofthetra]

Didn't the loco involved in the Tay Bridge disaster get salvaged & reused?

 

[43096]

Wasn't there a tale of a "cursed" 47 during the 1970s or 80s which was eventually renumbered after being involved in a couple of incidents?

47216 was renumbered 47299 after a clairvoyant predicted its involvement in a fatal accident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrawby_Junction_rail_crash

 

[goblinuser]

Do you mean 70012?

70012 Not mine.

The class 70s look much better with a proper walkway along the sides.

 

[dubscottie]

I wonder what the unit number is? It would be interesting to know.

I can't remember but it was in ABB Litchurch Lane around late 1994 - early 1995 for repairs so it would have been damaged summer 1994.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

The HST coaches that survived Southall and Ladbroke Grove were not renumbered and are still in service with GWR, still carrying their original numbers.

they did spend a few years at Minehead as training vehicles but were purchased outright by First and put back into service.

IIRC wasnt one of the Ladbroke grove power cars also at ufton nevert?

 

[306024]

I think they built it a hamster wheel and hooked it up to the national grid

70012 wouldn't be the first locomotive to do that

Not involved in an incident but in 1976 47155 was sent by road from Stratford to West Thurrock power station to act as an extra generator.

 

[broadgage]

Absolute rubbish, none of the coaches were renumbered and they were not 'hidden' at Minehead! :roll:

Agree, I visited Minehead regularly and feel certain that I would have noticed several HST vehicles, even if "hidden"
Minehead has very limited places in which to hide anything that noticeable. The shed is small, open to volunteers all the time and open to the public from time to time.
Storing HST vehicles elsewhere on the WSR would be a possibility, but hiding them would be a challenge. Storage in the open at Minehead would be possible, but would be in plain view.

 

[43096]

they did spend a few years at Minehead as training vehicles but were purchased outright by First and put back into service.

The First owned vehicles were all bought from Porterbrook Leasing. The vehicles involved at Southall and Ladbroke Grove (and indeed Ufton Nervet) were all Angel Trains owned. Other than vehicles written off, those stood down did all return to service, but there was no change of ownership.

IIRC wasnt one of the Ladbroke grove power cars also at ufton nevert?

No.

Southall: 43173 (leading, written off) and 43163
Ladbroke Grove: 43011 (leading, written off) and 43018
Ufton Nervet: 43019 (leading, written off) and 43029

 

[gimmea50anyday]

One of the surviving hastings DEMU vehicles from the Hither Green disaster became the test vehicle for the APT bogies. It is now facing eviction from Coventry due to the ERM closing.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

The First owned vehicles were all bought from Porterbrook Leasing. The vehicles involved at Southall and Ladbroke Grove (and indeed Ufton Nervet) were all Angel Trains owned. Other than vehicles written off, those stood down did all return to service, but there was no change of ownership.

Oh, ok. I didn't know that.

Southall: 43173 (leading, written off) and 43163
Ladbroke Grove: 43011 (leading, written off) and 43018
Ufton Nervet: 43019 (leading, written off) and 43029

Ah, so consecutive numbers but not the same PC.

You learn something new every day. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Clansman]

318254 has been involved in two major incidents.

Overshot the platform at Largs and ploughed through the concourse in 1995, and derailed and overturned at Exhibition Centre in 2007.

Still in service to this day.

 

[36270k]

Wasn't there a tale of a "cursed" 47 during the 1970s or 80s which was eventually renumbered after being involved in a couple of incidents?

If I remember rightly it was 47216 renumbered to 47299

 

[yorksrob]

One of the surviving hastings DEMU vehicles from the Hither Green disaster became the test vehicle for the APT bogies. It is now facing eviction from Coventry due to the ERM closing.

On a similar note, Hastings Diesels Limited own a vehicle that was involved in the 1980 crash at Appledore.

 

[43096]

If I remember rightly it was 47216 renumbered to 47299

As I posted previously!

 

[Southern Dvr]

Agree, I visited Minehead regularly and feel certain that I would have noticed several HST vehicles, even if "hidden"
Minehead has very limited places in which to hide anything that noticeable. The shed is small, open to volunteers all the time and open to the public from time to time.
Storing HST vehicles elsewhere on the WSR would be a possibility, but hiding them would be a challenge. Storage in the open at Minehead would be possible, but would be in plain view.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/yerrtizz/33156807771/in/photolist-LCtSwe-KFrsp9-fwkAaN-pGs6jE-jNPbPg-SGG9eg-bVcaG5-bmi62L-SvXiMv-SsGyjf-9PJsSK-SCFNty-fwz9at

Not my picture

 

[Blindtraveler]

What an interesting thread, I have enjoyed this one.

 

[Darandio]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/yerrtizz/33156807771/in/photolist-LCtSwe-KFrsp9-fwkAaN-pGs6jE-jNPbPg-SGG9eg-bVcaG5-bmi62L-SvXiMv-SsGyjf-9PJsSK-SCFNty-fwz9at

Not my picture

Not sure what the relevance of this is without a quote?

 

[physics34]

the Tattenham Corner 455 is still in service, cannot remember the number though

 

[Southern Dvr]

Not sure what the relevance of this is without a quote?

Done.

 

[Darandio]

Done.

Thanks.

Although for overall clarity, I don't believe they had anything to do with the GWR vehicles mentioned in relation to that quote.

 

[TimboM]

Thanks.

Although for overall clarity, I don't believe they had anything to do with the GWR vehicles mentioned in relation to that quote.

I interpreted that post as being to confirm via the photo that you cannot hide a stored HST very well at Minehead!

 

[bramling]

Agree, I visited Minehead regularly and feel certain that I would have noticed several HST vehicles, even if "hidden"
Minehead has very limited places in which to hide anything that noticeable. The shed is small, open to volunteers all the time and open to the public from time to time.
Storing HST vehicles elsewhere on the WSR would be a possibility, but hiding them would be a challenge. Storage in the open at Minehead would be possible, but would be in plain view.

I don't think the vehicles were ever 'hidden' as such, however I'm sure at the time part of the rationale for storing them at Minehead was so that they were out of the way. Depends on one's definition of hidden I suppose. There was certainly a desire for them not to be in plain sight, which somewhere like Old Oak Common may have been. Perhaps this was out of sensitivity to those involved in the accident - who knows.

 

[Southern Dvr]

First Group is to move the last of its stock which has been stored at Minehead for some time away from the WSR on Monday 13 February. At one time, five HST power cars and a full rake of coaches were stored on the line but, more recently, just five Mark 3 coaches remain. The previous day, Class 25 no D7523 will work the stock from Minehead to Bishops Lydeard, where they will be stabled overnight. On the Monday, two Cotswold Rail HST power cars will arrive on the line to collect the trailer cars, which will be formed up into a standard rake - with a power car at each end - prior to departure.

8 February 2006
Details from WSRA

From http://cgibin.wsr.org.uk/cgi-bin/r-recast-news.cgi?h=news200602

Not sure what the identities of the vehicles were, they may actually be nothing to do with this thread, but HSTs owned by First were stored there for a while.

 

[TimboM]

From http://cgibin.wsr.org.uk/cgi-bin/r-recast-news.cgi?h=news200602

Not sure what the identities of the vehicles were, they may actually be nothing to do with this thread, but HSTs owned by First were stored there for a while.

The First owned vehicles were all bought from Porterbrook Leasing. The vehicles involved at Southall and Ladbroke Grove (and indeed Ufton Nervet) were all Angel Trains owned. Other than vehicles written off, those stood down did all return to service, but there was no change of ownership.

One of the five at Minehead was (then) 43123 in Virgin livery, bought from Porterbrook by First as 43096 says. However, it was one of the ones converted for "DVT" use in the early Class 91 days on the ECML and problems with the modifications it had meant they couldn't get it to run on the GWR, so it went to Grand Central (now 43423). Not one of the ones involved in the crashes anyhow.

In addition to 43123, the other Porterbrook HST power cars acquired were 43093/094/155 (all ex Virgin livery) and 43198 (ex Midland Mainline livery) and were all at Minehead in mid-2005 too. Seems to be the ones First brought from Porterbrook were stored at Minehead waiting to be refurbed/repainted into First GWR livery (hence why they probably didn't want them outside Old Oak Common in competitors' liveries). Again as per 43096 they were not ones involved in the crashes.

 

[455driver]

Wasn't there a tale of a "cursed" 47 during the 1970s or 80s which was eventually renumbered after being involved in a couple of incidents?

A clairvoyant had a premonition that a loco numbered 47216 would be involved in a fatal train crash, BR renumbered it 47299 and a few years later it was involved in a fatal crash with a DMU.

 

[455driver]

From http://cgibin.wsr.org.uk/cgi-bin/r-recast-news.cgi?h=news200602

Not sure what the identities of the vehicles were, they may actually be nothing to do with this thread, but HSTs owned by First were stored there for a while.

As the quote says, First Group owned, the ones involved in the smash were Angel trains ones, and they still are.

When the VXC HSTs were withdrawn First Group asked the SRA (or was it renamed the DaFT by then?) if they could hire some of them as they were struggling and wanted to run extra services but were told they couldnt, so First Group (via First Rail Holdings) asked the Porterbrook (different leasing company ) if they could buy some sets outright, Porterbrook facing increasing storage charges with no work on the horizon were only too pleased to do the deal for 40 carriages and 12 power cars.

This ****ed the SRA/DaFT off no end and First Group were placed on the naughty step and didnt win any more franchises for several years.

Some of the sets were immediately sent away for refurbishment (cant remember where) but FG had to store the other sets and an agreement with the WSR saw the (now FG owned) sets stored there for a while until they could also go away for refurbishment.

 

[43096]

One was (then) 43123, bought from Virgin by First (as I think the others were).

Virgin didn't own them. As posted above, bought from Porterbrook by First Rail Holdings.

 

[TimboM]

Virgin didn't own them. As posted above, bought from Porterbrook by First Rail Holdings.

I've edited my post to quote yours and correct it/tie all of it together. Suffice to say, none were "crash survivors"...!