If I was being really pedantic I'd say that it's still accurate... there weren't problems with the service as there was no service for them to have problems with. Yes, there would have been no harm in it showing 'service cancelled due to industrial action' or something along those lines, but it's not as though there hasn't been exhaustive communication about the strike already. Anyone who doesn't know about it at this stage either isn't paying attention or isn't taking enough responsibility for their own travel arrangements.
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Major Disruption At Nottingham Due To Fire (12/01)
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Kettledrum
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The Northern tweet says their social media desk closes at 10 tonight. That's really not very helpful - shouldn't they put contingency arrangements for situations like this?
No trains, no problems. Ha ha.
Marshall's will be running the double deckers on 90 tomorrow unless the trains are restored
https://twitter.com/Marshallsbuses/status/951853041841528832
(It's normally a Optare Versa mini bus)
This has been gone over a few times now, but ultimately the staff go off shift when they go off shift. If people are really desparate for information, the phone line is open 24/7 whenever trains are running.
I believe they are looking at extending the hours that social media operates for, but that needs staff who need to be trained and recruited. Also, the @nre_northern account is open all night and can answer many questions regarding what's running and what isn't, delays, etc.
Is it 24/7 or whenever trains are running?
Trent Barton in the form of Kinch Bus do on occasion accept EMT tickets between Nottingham and Loughborough if there's a small scale problem with that particular service - longer distance out to places like Mansfield is a different ball game though and except season ticket holders most walk up railway ticket holders wouldn't have been able to travel out on the first place anyway given the first train in from places like the Robin Hood Line or the Ivanhoe line didn't actually make it to Nottingham before the evacuation occurred anyway.
The only train that made it into Nottingham was the 0623 Voyager arrival from Derby.
Anyone else would probably have already made alternative ticketing arrangements and there's no formal agreement for compensation in any case for the operator.
Nottingham Trams and the railway also accept each other's tickets if required but again in this case that wasn't much good.
The way the railway operates in Nottingham with even the first suburban stops being a fair way out and also spread out compared to say Birmingham or London means ticket acceptance for buses doesn't work too well.
The only train that made it into Nottingham was the 0623 Voyager arrival from Derby.
Anyone else would probably have already made alternative ticketing arrangements and there's no formal agreement for compensation in any case for the operator.
Nottingham Trams and the railway also accept each other's tickets if required but again in this case that wasn't much good.
The way the railway operates in Nottingham with even the first suburban stops being a fair way out and also spread out compared to say Birmingham or London means ticket acceptance for buses doesn't work too well.
There were no trains already scheduled today due to the strike.
Presumably the strike overrides the normal journey check information, and that info is then based on if there are changes to the strike timetable.
It was a possibly miss placed joke based on the fact there were no trains to be disrupted. I'll go back to the day job.
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To be fair if they stayed on every time there was an incident at the extremities of their network it would be as often as not. While inconvenient the impact on Northern is to be honest rather minimal.
Just speculating but would Northern be able to operate as far south as Ilkeston tomorrow and use the junction at Trowell to cross over for returning northwards?
The question is; would they be allowed to stand on a running line long enough to maintain the advertised timetable?
The question is; would they be allowed to stand on a running line long enough to maintain the advertised timetable?
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It was an interesting situation in Derby this evening. Changing off a crosscountry train, I was met with an an an announcement saying passengers for Eong Eaton, Beeston and Nottingham should go to the pride park entrance for a rail replacement bus. But within 10 minutes the DBY-STP went to long Eaton., And XC had a shuttle to Beeston. It seemed that the provision was working well, the passenger information less so.
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https://twitter.com/northernassist/status/951937663594057728?
Seems like Northern HAVE shut for the night...
IF VTEC are accepting other operators tickets tomorrow, would Grantham-Leeds be classed as an ‘acceptable route’?
Seems like Northern HAVE shut for the night...
IF VTEC are accepting other operators tickets tomorrow, would Grantham-Leeds be classed as an ‘acceptable route’?
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Regarding Northern I can't see them operating a shuttle service as far as Ilkeston, if Network Rail declare the building safe then trains may run.
Regarding platform availability if the whole station can't open I think they will cut down the services for example one of the two London services may terminate at Leicester, one of the two Birmingham services may terminate at Derby, The Lincoln services may terminate at Nottingaham, The Robin Hood Line services may terminate at Bulwell and passengers would then be transfer to the NET and the Liverpool to Norwich services will stay as they are or be diverted via Oakham.
Regarding platform availability if the whole station can't open I think they will cut down the services for example one of the two London services may terminate at Leicester, one of the two Birmingham services may terminate at Derby, The Lincoln services may terminate at Nottingaham, The Robin Hood Line services may terminate at Bulwell and passengers would then be transfer to the NET and the Liverpool to Norwich services will stay as they are or be diverted via Oakham.
There is a pretty obvious general warning about the strike. It also says (as of now) there are no trains and the EMT arrivals at Leeds have a flag-up for the fire.
Seems reasonably comprehensive to me.
For EMT perhaps, but for ONE Northern route on which the last train would have run by now?
westcoaster
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That all depends on train crew, where is the depot on the station. Messroom talk is that the depot is inaccessible. How many drivers and guards keep there kit in the mess/locker rooms ((a lot of spares may need sourcing) have any competence records been damaged). Lots of non technical stuff to sort out before the staff can be allocated work.
I suspect a major issue will be access - or lack of - to Nottingham Eastcroft depot, which is where the bulk of the Units that work the Norwich - Liverpool and Robin Hood line services are based.
IF the structural engineers deem the structure over the tracks is unsafe and nothing can run underneath it then access to the depot will only be from the east. To get a unit to Bulwell etc will be a lengthy trek (I presume via Grantham, Peterborough and East Midlands Parkway).
Indeed what's happened to all the Units that should have gone on to Eastcroft tonight? - Etches Park could take some extra, but not all. Presume others are being held in bay platforms at the likes of Lincoln, Grantham etc?
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Cross County @CrossCountryUK tweeted at 2226
UPDATE: Our services to and from Nottingham will run as normal tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/crosscountryuk/status/951943430741032961?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^ios|twgr^com.apple.UIKit.activity.Message
UPDATE: Our services to and from Nottingham will run as normal tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/crosscountryuk/status/951943430741032961?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^ios|twgr^com.apple.UIKit.activity.Message
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That's good news, no word from East Midlands Trains as of yet if they are running tomorrow but we can only wait.
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Nottingham station appears to have reopened...
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C62770/2018/01/12/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C62770/2018/01/12/advanced
thenorthern
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I know I can only speculate but am I right in thinking that the area around the stairs to Platform 7 is most likely the part that is the most burnt?
westcoaster
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Station open except P6-7, same tomorrow. No step free accss ad-hoc taxis to be arranged locally.
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East Midlands Trains have announced which services are running tomorrow.
As others have said check before you leave but if it’s not running consider Derby.
Grantham to Leeds might be pushing it but you might be able to check. You might be able to get away with Retford (though it would involve a change at Doncaster and services are infrequent)
Are sprinters cleated for the ECML between Newark and Retford? An overnight shift of some stock to and beyond Newark Castle, a reversal to Northgate and again to get onto the down main using the track from platform 2 at Retford round to the low level lines towards Worksop would get a train to the northerly part of the Robin Hood line, if there were paths it would be quicker than Peterborough surely.
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I don't see why not but in any case Platforms 1 to 5 are open tomorrow.
Yes I read that just ask hit post. Good news. Hopefully things can get back to normal fairly quickly.
The latest report on BBC East Midlands News repeated what's already been said, i.e. The fire is being treated as arson, it's thought to have started in a toilet in the foyer/concourse area.
Now to me, arson suggests person or persons unknown, most likely a member of the public but I'm not aware of any toilets in the foyer/concourse area. My understanding is that public toilets are down at platform level.
We shall have to wait for the outcome of investigations but even allowing for abysmal local reporting, it seems rather odd.
Now to me, arson suggests person or persons unknown, most likely a member of the public but I'm not aware of any toilets in the foyer/concourse area. My understanding is that public toilets are down at platform level.
We shall have to wait for the outcome of investigations but even allowing for abysmal local reporting, it seems rather odd.
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A post some time ago identified the location of said toilets I believe
eastdyke
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Indeed, the toilets referred to are accessed from the Southern Concourse (ie from outside the ticket gates). They are 'pay to enter'.
They are shown on this schematic from the EMT website on the pages numbered 12 and 16 in the PDF:
https://www.eastmidlandstrains.co.uk/Global/Documents/Nottingham Station LP guide updated for website.pdf
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