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'Tony Blair could become the first ever President of Europe'

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Mojo

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Very worrying. Isn't he a bit right wing for most Europeans anyway?

I've just got my fingers crossed on another "no" vote but less sure this time compared to last judging by what I've heard on the news.
 

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It seems like he might get in but apparently he keeps denying running? Personally Mojo I don't see another No coming :P
 
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Well he was a damn sight better of a PM than Brown is, or at least so it seems that way. I'm hardly a Blairite but he wasn't all that bad... bring back Thatcher I say bring back Thatcher!
 

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I am told on good authority that he refused to be allowed to be considered unless he was guaranteed the job.

I am also told by a VERY good source that the whole Bliar family have claimed Irish Citzenship and now have Irish Passports. A cynical attempt to cultivate Irish support. Could also come in very useful if anyone wanted to start proceedings for leading us into an illegal war.

Meanwhile the WHOLE EU waits for an Irish NO vote. Those who dare not put their heads above the parapet hoping that the decision will be made for them, and those who have yet to ratify it hoping that they will not end up being bullied and marginalised by the EU into voting yes.

The double irony is that an Irish YES vote will put them back under "English" rule, and at the same time will bring about a final EU push for integration which will destroy any future UK identity.

Meanwhile behind the scenes Sarkozy and Merkel are plotting a two-level EU where the UK would be firmly kept down at the lower level. So much for the EU Socialist ideals.
 

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Well he was a damn sight better of a PM than Brown is, or at least so it seems that way. I'm hardly a Blairite but he wasn't all that bad... bring back Thatcher I say bring back Thatcher!

My father was a socialist and I was brought up to socialist values. That woman is swearing in our house. I could say many words but I fear I may get banned.
 
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Margaret Thatcher had all of the right ideals, she just didnt go about them quite as delicately as she could have. She was way ahead of her time and wanted gay people to be treated as equals, if i recall correctly, among other things. The things on politicians' agenda these days seem to be the furthest from what people actually want.

As for socialism, its a nice ideal, but much like communism, it just never works.
 

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Thatcher's been over villainised. We must remember that the country was better off on the whole when she left power (compare that to Tony B and Gordo) and she's a better politician (agree or disagree with her actual views) than any of the leaders today.

And, on socialism, let's quote Thatcher herself: “The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” and: "Yes, he would rather have the poor poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That is the Liberal policy."
 

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"Yes, he would rather have the poor poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That is the Liberal policy."

One of my favourite ever quotes. I remember her saying it in the House of Commons, and demonstrating the gap between rich and poor with her fingers!

And on gay rights, I dont think Thatcher was pro or anti gay. I think in her view, like my own, someones sexuality is completely irrelevant.
 

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Shocking, you thought he was gone and POW he's returned,
What do you all think of Mr Blair becoming President of Europe?

This was talked about when he was in power, so I am surprised anyone thought this wasn't going to happen.

In fact, I am sure that has been his master plan since taking power in 1997 -and I am pretty sure he's got a very good chance on account of all the planning, sucking up and so on that he's done over the years.

Of course, if he's denying it now then I am sure he's also got it planned to look ever so surprised when it happens!! Nobody knew spin better than Tony Blair and new Labour (ironically, now we're all so cynical as a result that we won't believe people even when they're saying the truth!).
 

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From what i've been reading...

It's basically in the bag for him. As long as Ireland votes "yes" to it... The job is supposed to be as good as his
 

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Yes it has certaintly been known for a while. One of my favourite clips from the House of Commons; over a year old now.

[youtube]l6Cj1b-rp1E[/youtube]
 

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Yes it has certaintly been known for a while. One of my favourite clips from the House of Commons; over a year old now.

[youtube]l6Cj1b-rp1E[/youtube]

Cheers for that, used to think BBC Parliament was a bore! Gives me a reason to watch it from time to time.
 

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William Hague is the greatest speaker in politics. Sadly, he became leader of the Tory party when he was way too young and inexperienced (also at a time when the media was too busy sucking Blair's dick all the time to notice anyone else).
 

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I could not agree more. William Hague is a magnificent speaker with an incredible gift of making his speeches both memorable and amusing. He will go down in history as probably one of the best speakers in the House, and almost certainly as the man who became Leader too soon.

Sadly there was so much in-fighting in his years, that there was little he could do to contain it, and it is only now that many of the bickerers have either retired, or will do so shortly, that the Conservatives can get back to the real job of Opposition.

I am looking forward to the Brown/Cameron debate but it has to be said that it is unfair to pick on a sick man :).

Actually NO I just changed my mind. Lets hope Brown gets slaughtered and does another "Labour Party Conference Morning Special" and give us all some much wanted light entertainment.
 

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Blair himself called it right when he expressed relief at Hague's departure. The amount of times William Hague crucified Blair at PMQs was beyond belief. Although they wore different colours, John Smith and William Hague are the best PMs we never had:(
 

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I agree.

John Smith would have made a marvellous Labour PM, and I doubt we would be in anywhere near the trouble we now are. He was one of the few Labourites I have any time for.

The majority are either Class Warriors, Champagne Socialists, or an intellectual elite who having benefitted from a good education, do their best to deny the opportunity to the Working and Middle Classes.

The small remainder are honest decent committed people who are relegated to the Back Benches for perpetuity because they are neither corrupt nor driven by a hatred of the core Labour supporting Class.
 

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President Blair?

Reminds me of the only funny thing Paddy Ashdowne ever said. He said he could only think of one argument against having an elected head of state: "President Thatcher".

I disagreed with him, but a good line, expecially coming from a boring **** like Paddy.
 

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Even Hitler and Stalin got voted in !

Can't comment on Stalin but Hitler got voted in because of use of force as voters were told how to correctly vote, that and the idea from most Germans that Hitler would improve life for the average German.

I had read a diary from a young german male at the time which was made into a book and was a real eye opener into the issues of the time.
 

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Not quite true, old chap.

You have to remember that the Germans had been humiliated by the Versailles Treaty, and by the way they were treated by the French in particular. It was this which led to the massive depression that Germany suffered in the early 1930s.

When Hitler came to power he set about massive investments in the infrastructure of the Country including the building of the first Autobahns. In doing so he reduced unemployment and in the following years the standards of living for the Germans increased dramatically.

Even during the Bombing of Berlin, Hitler was still a very popular leader amongst the majority of the German people.

Air-raids apart many Germans lived considerably better than their British counter-parts, and German Industry was never mobilised to its fullest extent throughout the War.

German women were not required to work, pay was at a good level, and people were still taking holidays throughout the War.

It was only from about 1944 onwards that there came the realisation that Germany would not win the War, and Hitler's popularity started to fall.
 

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And persecuted Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies etc. Never forget that Nazi persecution of Jews started in March 1933 when the Nazis started a boycott of Jewish businesses, later culminating in the Holocaust.
 
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