Scotrail class 170 derailment - Stonehaven

[GW43125]

Somethings not right / rather worrying - 2 low-speed derailments in a week (one at Sheffield)? Hmmm...

Sorry but it just seems a bit odd.

It was often said under BR that these things come in threes...

 

[Deltic1961]

Now closed until at least Friday lunchtime.

 

[Highlandspring]

Rerailing suspended overnight and still a lot of damaged infrastructure to repair...

 

[Esker-pades]

Is Monday a reasonable estimate for when things will be up and running again?

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Rerailing suspended overnight and still a lot of damaged infrastructure to repair...

Not surprised - I suspect the crossover might well be plain lined to get the route back into action - seemed to do a lot of damage to the track , let alone the unit.

 

[PHILIPE]

Not surprised - I suspect the crossover might well be plain lined to get the route back into action - seemed to do a lot of damage to the track , let alone the unit.

Of course this would impact on the services that turn back at Stonehaven

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Of course this would impact on the services that turn back at Stonehaven

Obviously ..but what is the better good ?

 

[Esker-pades]

Only 3 trains per day turn back at Stonehaven.

 

[alangla]

Of course this would impact on the services that turn back at Stonehaven

There's only 3 of them that I can see, all run straight back to Aberdeen, from what I can see, 1 appears to form a Glasgow service, 1 Inverness and the other probably stables. A bit of set swapping might sort the first 2, failing that, just get other services to cover the stops & take the delay hit

 

[dmkc]

Once upon a time these services used the cross over at the north of stonehaven station. Practice stopped at some point 15/16 if memory serves for a railway reason I cannot recall
Not sure if the physical cross over still exists of course

 

[chuff chuff]

Once upon a time these services used the cross over at the north of stonehaven station. Practice stopped at some point 15/16 if memory serves for a railway reason I cannot recall
Not sure if the physical cross over still exists of course

That was because the south cross over was in poor shape but has been back in use for a while. The North cross over isn't a signalled move.

 

[dmkc]

Indeed that was the reason ta

 

[Highlandspring]

A bit of work was done on the South crossover to recommission it including a minor relocking of the frame to split the ends over two levers to reduce the pull weight. This must have been in 2013 as I signed the scheme plan while I was in my second-to-last job.

 

[whhistle]

Looking at where the unit is and how the points are set, would I be correct in thinking the whole set should have taken the crossover but only the front bogie has done so with the rest of the train taking the straight route?

The move was from Up to Down over the crossover.

He means "yes".
No need to complicate things with "up" and "down" in areas where people don't have a clue which is which :P

 

[najaB]

One consequence is that Dundee Yard is the busiest I've seen it in ages. This morning, I saw at least 2x158, 2xHST, 1x170 (I think) and the Aberdeen Sleeper with 2xClass 73s on the front (latter pictured):

 

[GB]

Somethings not right / rather worrying - 2 low-speed derailments in a week (one at Sheffield)? Hmmm...

Sorry but it just seems a bit odd.

You are reading way too much into things. Two separate and distinctly different incidents in two different countries does not suggest some kind of trend or suspicious activity.

 

[InOban]

Presumably after December, when the additional stopping services through to Montrose begin, there will be no services terminating at Stonehaven?

 

[marks87]

Typical nonsense from the local rag:

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/...rd-day-of-travel-chaos-due-to-derailed-train/

This is the best part, especially the bit I've put in bold:

Coral Forbes, 23, was one of those waiting for a replacement bus service to Aberdeen.

She said: “It’s pretty frustrating, I don’t think there’s anybody who likes getting the bus when they’ve paid for a train ticket in advance.

“You can see it’s getting pretty busy downstairs because I just saw there was a Glasgow train and a London one cancelled.

“I don’t know anything about what they do on the railway but to have the trains cancelled until 6pm seems a bit ridiculous to me.

“I’m supposed to be coming back later today but I’m still not exactly sure what will be happening.”

 

[Highlandspring]

The unit was fully rerailed at 0500 this morning and is currently running to Arbroath to stable, it’ll move to Haymarket overnight.

 

[David M]

The unit was fully rerailed at 0500 this morning and is currently running to Arbroath to stable, it’ll move to Haymarket overnight.

Are both the run to Arbroath and then to Haymarket being done under its own power do you know?

 

[ainsworth74]

One consequence is that Dundee Yard is the busiest I've seen it in ages. This morning, I saw at least 2x158, 2xHST, 1x170 (I think) and the Aberdeen Sleeper with 2xClass 73s on the front (latter pictured):

I assume this is why LNER seem to be spinning a lot of their Aberdeen bound services at Edinburgh? Lack of space to stick them anywhere whilst waiting for their return working?!

 

[marks87]

I assume this is why LNER seem to be spinning a lot of their Aberdeen bound services at Edinburgh? Lack of space to stick them anywhere whilst waiting for their return working?!

It's never normally a problem during planned engineering works, although perhaps the key word there is "planned"; arrangements will be put in place well in advance for stabling and turnaround.

Although there isn't exactly a lack of space or flexibility at Dundee. In addition to the DMU sidings, with no through traffic there's four platforms for stabling plus the through lines (the Up Through Line could accommodate a couple of 170s, while the Down could easily take a 2+9 HST).

 

[Edders23]

Why does it now take so long to sort an incident like this out 30 or 40 years ago this would have been sorted within 24 hours ?

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Because safety is now a consideration.

 

[edwin_m]

Because safety is now a consideration.

Perhaps also because derailments are now so rare that few people have much experience of dealing with them. The same could be said for repairing mechanical signalling.

 

[mcmad]

Also got to allow RAIB time to resond and investigate, dont think rerailing started till late yesterday by the time they travelled up from Derby and looked at it

 

[Highlandspring]

Are both the run to Arbroath and then to Haymarket being done under its own power do you know?

Yes they are.

 

[Highlandspring]

Perhaps also because derailments are now so rare that few people have much experience of dealing with them. The same could be said for repairing mechanical signalling.

Don't think either of those are really a consideration. DB Cargo maintain a full time breakdown and recovery squad at Millerhill who are very experienced and are called out many times a year. The local S&T maintain and fault a large section which has next to no power signalling at all, it's almost exclusively mechanical apart from Aberdeen and Dyce.

 

[PHILIPE]

Why does it now take so long to sort an incident like this out 30 or 40 years ago this would have been sorted within 24 hours ?

Because in olden days the priority was to get trains running again

 

[gsnedders]

DB Cargo maintain a full time breakdown and recovery squad at Millerhill who are very experienced and are called out many times a year.

Any reason why it's DBC? (Or even a FOC generally?)

What do they generally do except for re-railing trains? Most of the time breakdowns are recovered by the drivers of the failed train and the rescue loco, no? (And maybe a fitter or two?)