Confused52
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What date does the overtime claim have to go in for payment before Christmas?If there is to be a strike on 17th November is tomorrow the latest day it can be announced?
What date does the overtime claim have to go in for payment before Christmas?If there is to be a strike on 17th November is tomorrow the latest day it can be announced?
'The Troika of Obduracy' sound like some short-lived enemies of Superman's
With so many things already wrong with the industry it really is ridiculous for the 3 parties not to get together and resolve this, one way or another - and before passengers get so used to other modes of transport and travel patterns that they won't return.
Railways are not indispensible.
Lock them in a room until resolved seems the best answer.Very true words. The level of complacency shown by all sides is breathtaking.
It has been tried... It didn't workLock them in a room until resolved seems the best answer.
Presumably because they let them out. This time keep them there indefinitely until sorted.It has been tried... It didn't work
Presumably because they let them out. This time keep them there indefinitely until sorted.
Presumably because they let them out. This time keep them there indefinitely until sorted.
Not much point. Neither are going to budge.
We'll still be here in 6-12 months time with no progress. At some point I'd expect the company to take tough action.
If it goes on too long I can see it going the way of the dockers. We're doing this, resign if you don't like it, be sacked if you don't resign. Industrial action is only protected for so long and I believe they are well past that point now.
Surely the management can just wait and stonewall untl the new 'kit' is delivered (both onboard and on-station)?If it goes on too long I can see it going the way of the dockers. We're doing this, resign if you don't like it, be sacked if you don't resign. Industrial action is only protected for so long and I believe they are well past that point now.
That's the company's take on things. On speaking to an RMT rep directly involved, RMT we're willing to talk about driver closing and dispatching with a guaranteed second safety critical person on board this was previously agreed. The company wanted to talk about driver control and dispatch with no guarantee of this and driver control and dispatch with no second person at all.Based on previous posts it seems both parties agreed to ACAS talks but once the RMT arrived they informed Northern and ACAS that they were no longer willing to discuss driver closing doors and dispatching, despite agreeing to discuss that prior to arriving.
5 more days of strikes announced all on Saturdays - so they are striking every Saturday up to and including 15th Dec. The Christmas markets won't get their customers this year: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-raft-of-new-strike-dates-on-northern021118/
I would also expect an announcement on further Saturdays to the 15th Dec within the hour.
ThanksAlready been made. See post posted just before yours.
5 more days of strikes announced - all on Saturdays - so they are striking every Saturday up to and including 15th Dec. The Christmas markets won't get their customers this year: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-raft-of-new-strike-dates-on-northern021118/
The link posted by jcollins says up to 29th December. This is every Saturday for the remainder of 2018.That's the company's take on things. On speaking to an RMT rep directly involved, RMT we're willing to talk about driver closing and dispatching with a guaranteed second safety critical person on board this was previously agreed. The company wanted to talk about driver control and dispatch with no guarantee of this and driver control and dispatch with no second person at all.
I would also expect an announcement on further Saturdays to the 15th Dec within the hour.
Five more strikes, on top of the two previously announced, means every Saturday up to and including 29th December.
Of course they will get their customers. The small percentage who used to use the trains are already finding alternative means of travel, many permanently.5 more days of strikes announced - all on Saturdays - so they are striking every Saturday up to and including 15th Dec. The Christmas markets won't get their customers this year: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-raft-of-new-strike-dates-on-northern021118/
That's horrendous. Nothing to do with DOO, everything to do with inconveniencing passengers.5 more days of strikes announced - all on Saturdays - so they are striking every Saturday up to and including 15th Dec. The Christmas markets won't get their customers this year: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-raft-of-new-strike-dates-on-northern021118/
That's the company's take on things. On speaking to an RMT rep directly involved, RMT we're willing to talk about driver closing and dispatching with a guaranteed second safety critical person on board this was previously agreed. The company wanted to talk about driver control and dispatch with no guarantee of this and driver control and dispatch with no second person at all.
I would also expect an announcement on further Saturdays to the 15th Dec within the hour.
If that comes as a surprise to you, you haven't been paying attentionThat's horrendous. Nothing to do with DOO, everything to do with inconveniencing passengers.
I'm not surprised, I'm disappointed, angry.If that comes as a surprise to you, you haven't been paying attention
Of course they will get their customers. The small percentage who used to use the trains are already finding alternative means of travel, many permanently.
Where's there significant public money to be saved, though? We keep hearing that this isn't about destaffing trains. At best, there'll be a small saving in the very long term as newer recruits will probably be on a slightly lower rate of pay and there won't be so much of a training and assessment requirement. I doubt that small saving justifies the enormous direct and indirect cost of this dispute though.I have no idea why the RMT think the company and Government will bend to their will and increase the amount of public money that the latter will regard as an anachronistic inefficiency.
On the contrary, the general consensus on here and indeed where (most of?) the new trains are destined for are the longer-distance "Northern Connect" routes.The part of the network that can be made DCO without customer harm with short sectional running times will be the likely target and not the whole network.
Conversely, the requirement for a specified proportion of mileage to be "DCO" must be waivable by the Government if it wants to resolve this dispute. I don't know why the RMT persist with largely ignoring the DfT's role in this, rather than going on and on about German-owned basketcases.I suspect that part of the condition is waivable by the Government if it wants to escalate the dispute and it will be the Government that chooses to do so, not Arriva.
Where's there significant public money to be saved, though? We keep hearing that this isn't about destaffing trains. At best, there'll be a small saving in the very long term as newer recruits will probably be on a slightly lower rate of pay and there won't be so much of a training and assessment requirement. I doubt that small saving justifies the enormous direct and indirect cost of this dispute though.
On the contrary, the general consensus on here and indeed where (most of?) the new trains are destined for are the longer-distance "Northern Connect" routes.
Conversely, the requirement for a specified proportion of mileage to be "DCO" must be waivable by the Government if it wants to resolve this dispute.