TPE Nova 1 Class 802/2 Progress

[Spartacus]

I am sure it is, but the question is when the fix will be in place. TPE needs to get its units into service quickly to deal with overcrowding. If their Hitachis can run on diesel for now then that is a blessing, except for the emissions obviously but that at least will be temporary. It would also be an unplanned benefit of opting for bi-modes. They will have passed the resilience test from the off!

You'd need to ask the engineers about that one, and they might still answer 'it depends'.

 

[paddyb6]

When is 202 going to be liveried? As 201 already is..
Or is it 202 is and 201 isnt

 

[sprinterguy]

When is 202 going to be liveried? As 201 already is..
Or is it 202 is and 201 isnt

802201 is the unit vinyled in TPE livery.

 

[driver9000]

800201 is the unit vinyled in TPE livery.

That will upset LNER.

 

[samuelmorris]

I am sure it is, but the question is when the fix will be in place. TPE needs to get its units into service quickly to deal with overcrowding. If their Hitachis can run on diesel for now then that is a blessing, except for the emissions obviously but that at least will be temporary. It would also be an unplanned benefit of opting for bi-modes. They will have passed the resilience test from the off!

To my knowledge, no, diesel or electric power both have the same issue because the interference comes from the traction motors, which are in use whether or not the unit is on AC power. That's why the interference suppressors are going in every vehicle, not just the one with the transformer in it. On that basis, every unit will need to have been modified before it can enter service. Whether the modified units will be permitted into service before the trackside work has been completed I'm not sure yet, I imagine it depends how long the trackside work takes.

I'm pretty sure as far as 'signalling interference' goes, this is the biggest job yet in terms of how much needs to be done to put it right. It will not be a quick and easy fix as some have been before. Millions is being spent on this and the weight of each unit is going up by multiple tonnes to bring the interference into spec.

 

[sprinterguy]

That will upset LNER.

802201, even! Well spotted, post amended.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The interference problems might not apply west of Manchester (we just don't know), so they may already be able to work on electric there without change.
Also Leeds-Doncaster to/from the depot at Doncaster (which LNER will also be running on electric).
But it will surely be many months before there is any Nova 1 service running anyway?

 

[samuelmorris]

Entirely possible, but as far as I know the 802s will only go as far as Liverpool in that direction. I don't think there are any plans to send them north on the WCML, that should be strictly the remit of the 397s.

 

[Ben Bow]

TPE have stated in an internal update today that the first of their 800's has now completed its 15,000 miles of fault free running...

 

[Chester1]

Entirely possible, but as far as I know the 802s will only go as far as Liverpool in that direction. I don't think there are any plans to send them north on the WCML, that should be strictly the remit of the 397s.

If they can run west but not east of Manchester for a while it could be worth running them on the new Liverpool-Glasgow service as it is due to be run by 3 x 185s when the services start in May, until enough 397s enter service. That would free up the 185s for doubling up some North TP services.

 

[samuelmorris]

If they can run west but not east of Manchester for a while it could be worth running them on the new Liverpool-Glasgow service as it is due to be run by 3 x 185s when the services start in May, until enough 397s enter service. That would free up the 185s for doubling up some North TP services.

As far as I know the 397s will still be in service before the 802s.

 

[Chester1]

As far as I know the 397s will still be in service before the 802s.

At this stage who knows! CAFs 4 other new fleets are all delayed!

 

[samuelmorris]

At this stage who knows! CAFs 4 other new fleets are all delayed!

But so are the LNER IETs, so it seems fairly likely that TPE's 802s will be similarly late. Given that the 397s were intended to be in use from Spring and the 802s from Summer, the 802s are only likely to be in service before the 397s if they are delayed by over 3 months less than the 397s are - not expecting that to be the case at the moment, but who knows. The 802s do at least have the advantage that the units themselves are already in use elsewhere, it's simply adapting them to use on additional routes.

 

[superkev]

TPE have stated in an internal update today that the first of their 800's has now completed its 15,000 of fault free running...

That's a lot of unproductive miles. Should they at least be using test miles as a good opertunity for training instructors or even drivers.
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[paddyb6]

Looks like we have runs booked for the Doncaster - Mirfield - Crewe - WBQ - Crewe - Mirfield - Doncaster runs, booked every day until the 11th Jan, whats going to happen after this?
Thanks

 

[samuelmorris]

That's a lot of unproductive miles. Should they at least be using test miles as a good opertunity for training instructors or even drivers.
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You wouldn't want to do your driving lessons in a car the manufacturer hadn't done their own tests on first. By all means test other individual units after the training has started, but until the tests for the fleet as a whole are signed off, I imagine it'd be foolish to do driver training, partly because of having inexperienced staff operating it in the event of a problem but also because if there are defects discovered that need to be rectified, the training may be void, either due to it being suspended while the modifications are carried out, or because part of the process of operation changes as a result of the modification(s).

 

[td97]

15,000

Is that miles or km? And is that required for each unit in the fleet?

 

[samuelmorris]

Is that miles or km? And is that required for each unit in the fleet?

I believe that's for the first unit in a given fleet. The subsequent ones usually have a lower target.

 

[68011]

The 3Nxx & 3Sxx paths are Nova 1 test paths
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...0/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=TP

 

[TBSchenker]

As far as I know the 397s will still be in service before the 802s.

The 397 still hasn't run under its own power in the UK yet (apparently!) . I'll be surprised if the 397 is in traffic in may, and before the 802!

 

[LittleAH]

The 397 still hasn't run under its own power in the UK yet (apparently!) . I'll be surprised if the 397 is in traffic in may, and before the 802!

Was told it's due to start SPZ testing next week (397). I gather the hope is to introduce it in the summer months.

 

[Jonny]

So are the Doncaster-Mirfield-Crewe-Warrington and back runs all on the diesel then?

 

[deltic08]

It looks like it would be a lot easier to climb the cables on an 800 than that.

All it needs is some sort of canvas or rubber barrier between coaches like LU have. Might help the aerodynamics too, as well as reduce the chance of anyone falling between coaches from the platform.

No, it needs the cables making longer so they dangle lower. Canvas or rubber wouldn't stay put at 125mph

How many times has a passenger fallen from a platform between carriages in the last 40 years? None to my knowledge. More likely to fall at a doorway.

 

[Pete_uk]

Saw a picture of a 800 in TPE livery and I must say it looks very nice.

 

[Bletchleyite]

No, it needs the cables making longer so they dangle lower. Canvas or rubber wouldn't stay put at 125mph

Best not use the gangway, then. Might be hazardous.

Of course a barrier could be constructed which would stay put.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I believe that's for the first unit in a given fleet. The subsequent ones usually have a lower target.

If the TPE 802s are just the same as GWR's, why is there any need for endurance tests for its fleet?
Aren't they just another batch of an existing approved type?

 

[59CosG95]

If the TPE 802s are just the same as GWR's, why is there any need for endurance tests for its fleet?
Aren't they just another batch of an existing approved type?

Mechanically they are quite similar, but there's probably a few differences that the average passenger won't notice that makes the two subclasses (/0 for GWR, /2 for TPE) different. They also have the additional challenge of operating over newer ground for the 80x series, while the 802s are simply operating over routes that 800s have already gone down.

 

[66Yorks]

Will the TPE 802's be a common sight in York? Nice looking livery to be fair.

 

[samuelmorris]

Will the TPE 802's be a common sight in York? Nice looking livery to be fair.

Fairly common, they'll be working the Newcastle / Edinburgh services that originate from Manchester / Liverpool. The other TPE services to Middlesbrough and Scarborough will be worked with Mk5s.

 

[driver9000]

Will the TPE 802's be a common sight in York? Nice looking livery to be fair.

They'll be as common as 185s.