LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

[hexagon789]

Is that not for the 800s as opposed to the 801s?

It would have to be to get to Hull on the 16th!

 

[PomWombat]

What is the reason for the York - Harrogate run when they are not going to run on this line?

I vaguely recall that some of the extra HGT-KGX services being added by LNER, from 1 tpd to 1 tp2h, are indeed meant to route via York instead of Leeds.

The Harrogate line services are supposed to be doubled eventually (4 tph to Leeds, 2 tph to York), and some of those extra services are meant to be LNER rather than Northern.

 

[westv]

Is there any seating plans kicking about that show the best seats to reserve to ensure you get a full window. I had the layouts of the Mk4's to know the best seats off to a tee.

I'd be interested in that too.

 

[sjpowermac]

I vaguely recall that some of the extra HGT-KGX services being added by LNER, from 1 tpd to 1 tp2h, are indeed meant to route via York instead of Leeds.

The Harrogate line services are supposed to be doubled eventually (4 tph to Leeds, 2 tph to York), and some of those extra services are meant to be LNER rather than Northern.

According to the LNER twitter feed on Sunday the tests were for using Harrogate to York as a diversionary route. In the long run, I suspect we might see some services routed that way

 

[ainsworth74]

If I remember rightly casting my minds back to the sands of time it was one of the routes the DfT, in their infinite wisdom, desired to be cleared for their IEP trains. Therefore it has been cleared and now proven. Personally speaking I expect it LNER to run that way about as often as we see pigs flying past the windows.

 

[trebor79]

Slightly OT, but does anyone know what the latest is in regard to a few Mk4 sets possibly being retained by LNER?

 

[deltic08]

If I remember rightly casting my minds back to the sands of time it was one of the routes the DfT, in their infinite wisdom, desired to be cleared for their IEP trains. Therefore it has been cleared and now proven. Personally speaking I expect it LNER to run that way about as often as we see pigs flying past the windows.

York to Harrogate is not a problem except 30mph curve and level crossing at Starbeck if a path can be found, but Harrogate to York is full of 25mph psr in and out of passing loops.

 

[Sirgerbil]

Slightly OT, but does anyone know what the latest is in regard to a few Mk4 sets possibly being retained by LNER?

I read an article sent to me by a colleague the other day, 25% of Mk4 sets taken out of service between June and Sept, the rest will start to be withdrawn between Jan and "summer" 2020.

All HST's to be withdrawn from October to December this year.

 

[3973EXL]

800105 Eastleigh to Doncaster 5X82/83

 

[eastwestdivide]

York to Harrogate is not a problem except 30mph curve and level crossing at Starbeck if a path can be found, but Harrogate to York is full of 25mph psr in and out of passing loops.

On the other hand, in the current public timetable, for the stopping trains:
33 mins for ~20 miles York-Harrogate
35 mins for the ~18 miles Leeds-Harrogate
and
30 mins Leeds-Doncaster
22 mins York-Doncaster

So on paper, if you can get the paths over the single line sections, York might be an attractive routing for a London-Harrogate service, especially as you'd avoid the reversal at Leeds.

 

[westv]

Currently sat awaiting departure on my last ever (barring any last minute stock changes) Hull Executive HST service. Next time I travel it'll be an Azuma. It'll make it slightly more difficult to make sure if RTT has the correct platform number when all the services are Azumas.

 

[3973EXL]

5X82/83
Eastleigh - Acton - Doncaster
800111 801108

Arrived Eastleigh 04/05
5X40/41
Merchant Park - Doncaster - Eastleigh
800111 801110

 

[A7rud]

Does anyone know if 800106, 800109 and 800112 are still in 'warm storage' at Tyne Yard?

 

[800001]

Does anyone know if 800106, 800109 and 800112 are still in 'warm storage' at Tyne Yard?

106, 107 and 112. Had a slight change last week.

 

[A7rud]

Many thanks. Passing there early tomorrow.

 

[Antman]

800 111 (9 car and liveried) just went past Reading heading for Eastleigh running on diesel (I think)

 

[3973EXL]

5X80/81
Doncaster - Acton - Eastleigh
800111

Presume it will haul something north tomorrow?

 

[Antman]

5X80/81
Doncaster - Acton - Eastleigh
800111

Presume it will haul something north tomorrow?

Do they really use a brand new 9 car unit for dragging ? Apart from mileage accumulation, how can it be more efficient than using a 37/47/60 and relevant barrier coach ? Surely also a 9 car unit, even if towing along a 5 car, will be hugely long for shunting with.... (if there is much at all to be done at Eastleigh (don't really know the layout there).

 

[Yorkshireman16]

hi guys passed neville hill Leeds on sunday 5 may approx 18:40 can anyone id the 9 car unit on shed thanks

 

[swt_passenger]

Do they really use a brand new 9 car unit for dragging ? Apart from mileage accumulation, how can it be more efficient than using a 37/47/60 and relevant barrier coach ? Surely also a 9 car unit, even if towing along a 5 car, will be hugely long for shunting with.... (if there is much at all to be done at Eastleigh (don't really know the layout there).

The efficient way of doing this is that the unit doing the dragging would also be getting work done there. They’ve built temporary scaffold working platforms in the middle of the Arriva TRSMD, (the sidings between Campbell Rd and the airport), where the through sidings provide loads of room to deal with long trains.

 

[800001]

The efficient way of doing this is that the unit doing the dragging would also be getting work done there. They’ve built temporary scaffold working platforms in the middle of the Arriva TRSMD, (the sidings between Campbell Rd and the airport), where the through sidings provide loads of room to deal with long trains.

Do they really use a brand new 9 car unit for dragging ? Apart from mileage accumulation, how can it be more efficient than using a 37/47/60 and relevant barrier coach ? Surely also a 9 car unit, even if towing along a 5 car, will be hugely long for shunting with.... (if there is much at all to be done at Eastleigh (don't really know the layout there).

Most likely cost effective as it's one of Hitachis own trains going to collect one of there own. No need to pay cost of hiring a loco from third party company.

However this will maybe change when the 9 car electric 801s are at Eastleigh, as by then the 9 car 800s should be in passenger service so a loco should be required.

 

[PomWombat]

RTT has an Azuma down to have just visited Harrogate.

What just passed me at Pannal was certainly longer than 5 coaches. A 9 or 2x5.... Wasn't expecting that.

 

[800001]

RTT has an Azuma down to have just visited Harrogate.

What just passed me at Pannal was certainly longer than 5 coaches. A 9 or 2x5.... Wasn't expecting that.

Most likely a 9 car......they had one , one night last week as well.

 

[3973EXL]

5X82 running late, has been re-timed +3 hours.
800111 801109

 

[59CosG95]

5X82 running late, has been re-timed +3 hours.
800111 801109

5X83 doesn't appear to have been retimed yet either...

 

[TheNekomancer]

is there a schedule for when they plan to run on Wednesday? I'm intending to give them a ride on the first day, make a day out of it.

 

[leedstraindude]

is there a schedule for when they plan to run on Wednesday? I'm intending to give them a ride on the first day, make a day out of it.

It’s doing the middle part of the hull diagram. London upto Leeds and back that’s it. Should do the full hull diagram the next day.

 

[43096]

is there a schedule for when they plan to run on Wednesday? I'm intending to give them a ride on the first day, make a day out of it.

1D11 1103 Kings Cross-Leeds and 1A33 1345 back are the two trains involved.

Not sure why anyone would want to do a Satsuma - there will be plenty of them in the coming years - but each to their own!

 

[Mark62]

I had a look at one of these azuma running as dmu from Newcastle on Thursday at Newcastle.
As it pulled slowly out of platform 2 , engines were noisy and every carriage was vibrating badly.
Compared to a beautifully quiet hst, this was like a 101.
Seats appeared cramped compared to mk4 stock and more upright, this gives much less comfort but allows more cattle into the stalls.
I can’t see any improvement over current rolling stock. Of course , Hitachi are richer and the taxpayers are poorer.
Given that it’s the taxpayers who travel and pay for these trains don’t you think we should benefit rather than hitachi
The only winners here are hitachi. But he who pays the piper gets all the gold
That depends on whom the piper is. In days gone by that would have been us, the voters and the taxpayers
Not any more.
We seem to spending so much money on products clearly inferior to what we already have.
Improvements ?
Hitachi dividends to shareholders
Not much else

 

[modernrail]

I had a look at one of these azuma running as dmu from Newcastle on Thursday at Newcastle.
As it pulled slowly out of platform 2 , engines were noisy and every carriage was vibrating badly.
Compared to a beautifully quiet hst, this was like a 101.
Seats appeared cramped compared to mk4 stock and more upright, this gives much less comfort but allows more cattle into the stalls.
I can’t see any improvement over current rolling stock. Of course , Hitachi are richer and the taxpayers are poorer.
Given that it’s the taxpayers who travel and pay for these trains don’t you think we should benefit rather than hitachi
The only winners here are hitachi. But he who pays the piper gets all the gold
That depends on whom the piper is. In days gone by that would have been us, the voters and the taxpayers
Not any more.
We seem to spending so much money on products clearly inferior to what we already have.
Improvements ?
Hitachi dividends to shareholders
Not much else

I had my first trip on an 800 last week and I have to say I am surprised to hear what you are saying on some points here. The seats are awful...that I agree on and I really hope the LNER ones are better in some way but I can't see it. The leg room on the GWR is great though and so unless LNER has used a different configuration there is nothing to worry about on that front. I was hugely impressed with diesel mode. Very quiet indeed and I doubt most people realised we had switched. That said, I am very interested to see what it all sounds and feels like at 125mph. I think they do a lot less than that between Didcot and Oxford. I hope that they don't suddenly get all shaky when they are built to go quicker.