Northern Class 170's

[Halifaxlad]

Thinking of there oft reported thirst for diesel perhaps they ran out of fuel.
K

I think its about time we got them on the S+C. The inefficency of them must be making Northern frustrated.

 

[The Lad]

Anyway they do get to 65 mph heading to York from Knaresborough ☺

 

[anamyd]

Anyway they do get to 65 mph heading to York from Knaresborough ☺

about 5mph too slow to go into the higher gear...?

 

[superkev]

I think its about time we got them on the S+C. The inefficency of them must be making Northern frustrated.

That's doesnot seem a good idea as the S and C sadly like the Harrogate line has a 60mph limit so 170s would not get out of 1st gear (65mph reqd).
Sheffield to Hull and Brid, Calder Valley, Leeds Nottngham and prob some from Manchester would be my choice.
Pity they can refer them for Northerens slower network.
K

 

[Railweigh]

That's doesnot seem a good idea as the S and C sadly like the Harrogate line has a 60mph limit so 170s would not get out of 1st gear (65mph reqd).
Sheffield to Hull and Brid, Calder Valley, Leeds Nottngham and prob some from Manchester would be my choice.
Pity they can refer them for Northerens slower network.
K

170’s start on the Sheffield-Hull run on Monday.

 

[Halifaxlad]

That's doesnot seem a good idea as the S and C sadly like the Harrogate line has a 60mph limit so 170s would not get out of 1st gear (65mph reqd).
Sheffield to Hull and Brid, Calder Valley, Leeds Nottngham and prob some from Manchester would be my choice.
Pity they can refer them for Northerens slower network.
K

I would how difficult it would be to upgrade the S+C to 65 or 70 ?

My general thoughts was somewhere where they at least had a decent run without dawdling as opposed to pretty much everything between Leeds & Harrogate.

 

[superkev]

I would how difficult it would be to upgrade the S+C to 65 or 70 ?

My general thoughts was somewhere where they at least had a decent run without dawdling as opposed to pretty much everything between Leeds & Harrogate.

Im sure it would be easy to increase speeds on the main line constructed S and C but Network rail are short of cash and have no real incentive to increase line speeds as higher speeds equals higher maintenance costs. Witness the steam days 70mph overall limit on the recently electrified Preston Blackpool.
K

 

[Harvey B]

What services do the 170's run on now that the timetable has changed?

 

[rich r]

What services do the 170's run on now that the timetable has changed?

Not Selby to Leeds any more. We're back to crappy purple Class 140 Pacers I'd forgotten how much they jar my back compared to the 170s. The 170 seats might be firmer, but they're more supportive and the chassis doesn't lurch about in that special way a Pacer does.

 

[supervc-10]

The chassis doesn't lurch about in that special way a Pacer does.

Special, that's one way of putting it!

 

[Monkeyhead]

Yep, at Garforth this morning, what used to be a reasonably comfortably loaded 170 was back to a 2 carriage 158. Cue stood in the aisles and people getting left behind at Crossgates, just like the bad old days.

 

[CaptainHaddock]

What services do the 170's run on now that the timetable has changed?

Sheffield to Bridlington, for one.

 

[anamyd]

Not Selby to Leeds any more. We're back to crappy purple Class 140 Pacers I'd forgotten how much they jar my back compared to the 170s. The 170 seats might be firmer, but they're more supportive and the chassis doesn't lurch about in that special way a Pacer does.

There was only 1 140 built, and even the 141s came off National Rail in 1998. Northern have 142s and 144s! It's likely you were on a 142

 

[61653 HTAFC]

There was only 1 140 built, and even the 141s came off National Rail in 1998. Northern have 142s and 144s! It's likely you were on a 142

I was going to comment that if it was a 140 it would've been rammed with Pacer fans wanting some rare red-pennage, but figured it was a typo rather than a misidentification.

The 140 is currently "on bricks" somewhere in Scotland.

 

[anamyd]

I was going to comment that if it was a 140 it would've been rammed with Pacer fans wanting some rare red-pennage, but figured it was a typo rather than a misidentification.

The 140 is currently "on bricks" somewhere in Scotland.

thanks for the info

 

[rich r]

I probably should have typed 14x to mean the related classes Yes it was a 142.

 

[Harvey B]

Does anyone know what other services the 170s are now running on? (excluding Bridlington to Sheffield)

 

[170TurboFan]

Does anyone know what other services the 170s are now running on? (excluding Bridlington to Sheffield)

Saw one running York - Leeds via Harrogate on 2C98. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y60122/2019/05/20/advanced

 

[Harvey B]

Saw one running York - Leeds via Harrogate on 2C98. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y60122/2019/05/20/advanced

That's good news, at least they're still running on that line

 

[NoMorePacers]

Just heard a 170 go past my house (the Hull-Scarborough Line is about 100m from my house) - it certainly makes a change from the usual Sprinter!

 

[alangla]

Any idea why Northern are having so many problems? Fife isn’t exactly quick and they seem to do ok there.

 

[Harvey B]

Any idea why Northern are having so many problems? Fife isn’t exactly quick and they seem to do ok there.

Are you on about 170's? If not then I think you've posted this in the wrong thread

 

[alangla]

Are you on about 170's? If not then I think you've posted this in the wrong thread

Yes - I don’t see why the routes that Northern are using 170s on are more arduous than the ones ScotRail used the exact same units on. Is it because they only do slow stuff now whereas they used to get a more varied set of routes in Scotland? Bear in mind the SPT ones (17047x) were originally ordered to basically run between Glasgow and Dunblane or do glacially slow routes like Anniesland and Falkirk Grahamston, not for constant 100mph stuff, though they did get out & about more as time went on.

 

[Harvey B]

Yes - I don’t see why the routes that Northern are using 170s on are more arduous than the ones ScotRail used the exact same units on. Is it because they only do slow stuff now whereas they used to get a more varied set of routes in Scotland? Bear in mind the SPT ones (17047x) were originally ordered to basically run between Glasgow and Dunblane or do glacially slow routes like Anniesland and Falkirk Grahamston, not for constant 100mph stuff, though they did get out & about more as time went on.

I didn't understand what you meant which is why I asked, thanks

 

[Phlip]

Yes - I don’t see why the routes that Northern are using 170s on are more arduous than the ones ScotRail used the exact same units on. Is it because they only do slow stuff now whereas they used to get a more varied set of routes in Scotland? Bear in mind the SPT ones (17047x) were originally ordered to basically run between Glasgow and Dunblane or do glacially slow routes like Anniesland and Falkirk Grahamston, not for constant 100mph stuff, though they did get out & about more as time went on.

I’ve seen no evidence outside of this forum that Northern are having any significant problems.

 

[Harvey B]

Sorry if I'm getting annoying if anyone thinks that but what happens to the 170s running the Sheffield to Bridlington services? Do they transfer by an ECS, do they interwork a service that runs from either Leeds to Sheffield (or York to Hull) or are they just stabled somewhere between Sheffield and Brid?

 

[TC60054]

Sorry if I'm getting annoying if anyone thinks that but what happens to the 170s running the Sheffield to Bridlington services? Do they transfer by an ECS, do they interwork a service that runs from either Leeds to Sheffield (or York to Hull) or are they just stabled somewhere between Sheffield and Brid?

There looks to be a morning ECS from Holbeck (Leeds) to Hull, 5K40 (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y60687/2019/05/21/advanced) which then looks to form the 0630 Hull to Sheffield - I wouldn't be amazed if this is a 170 or two, and there's some equivalent return paths in an evening.

 

[Harvey B]

There looks to be a morning ECS from Holbeck (Leeds) to Hull, 5K40 (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y60687/2019/05/21/advanced) which then looks to form the 0630 Hull to Sheffield - I wouldn't be amazed if this is a 170 or two, and there's some equivalent return paths in an evening.

Hey, thanks

 

[170TurboFan]

Been on the Harrogate Line today, they now have 3tph to Leeds from Harrogate with 1 service which runs at 02 the hour stopping at Hornbean Park and Horsforth only to Leeds from Harrogate, all 3 car 170s today apart from one service using a 155 unit on 2C94 1311 York to Leeds. Rolling stock used that I could obtain TOPS numbers from were 170474, 170475, 170455, 170454

 

[Harvey B]

Do Northern still lease one 170 a day to TPE or has that stopped now that the new timetable has come in?