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Just 3 refurbs and 1 classic out today... Haymarket, as per usual, littered with a mixture of fully formed sets and some minus a power car (or 2).
So despite ScotRail not accepting any more deliveries due to the refurbs not being to standard, there are at least several out. They have a greater number of classic sets which are nothing to do with Wabtec and whose reliability is chronic. Some serious questions for ScotRail to answer about their maintenance. They have been using Wabtec as an excuse to disguise their own incompetence.
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable for people to pass comment on an ongoing issue. It is ongoing after all.
As i said before, the fact that Scotrail are able to muster up a 170 to prevent a cancellation is worthy of mention.
Could this account for the fact that the MTIN reliability figures look better for their HSTs than they normally would be. An HST cannot register a delay if it is substituted by another consist that runs to time..can it?
 

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I know this is a contentious classification amongst the HST fans, but does the HST being more of a loco rather than a multiple unit make for a more challenging maintenance routine to learn? With the exception of the Fife Mk 2’s (which would be DRS maintained i guess?), and the sleeper prior to 2015, Scotrail hasn’t had to maintain a loco set for a long time surely?
 

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To my knowledge ScotRail haven’t maintained any locomotives since privatisation and probably before. The 37 and 47 hauled day sets they had in the 1990s ran with locos hired from Transrail and Res respectively, same with the sleepers. Under BR I think the sleepers were operated by Intercity, and any 37s were supplied by Railfreight Distribution so the last locos they maintained would probably be the 47/7s that left in about 1990.
This is to the best of my knowledge & any corrections gladly received
 

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To my knowledge ScotRail haven’t maintained any locomotives since privatisation and probably before. The 37 and 47 hauled day sets they had in the 1990s ran with locos hired from Transrail and Res respectively, same with the sleepers. Under BR I think the sleepers were operated by Intercity, and any 37s were supplied by Railfreight Distribution so the last locos they maintained would probably be the 47/7s that left in about 1990.
This is to the best of my knowledge & any corrections gladly received


Think you are correct. But really after a year or more this should not be getting worse it should be an improving picture.

Makes me think is the slowdown in deliveries by Wabtec deliberate so as to minimise embarrassment?
 

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Makes me think is the slowdown in deliveries by Wabtec deliberate so as to minimise embarrassment?
It's been reported by several different members that Scotrail declined to accept any more sets until the kinks were worked out. After all, why would they want to pay lease charges on assets that they could not use?
 

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Think you are correct. But really after a year or more this should not be getting worse it should be an improving picture.

Makes me think is the slowdown in deliveries by Wabtec deliberate so as to minimise embarrassment?

Doubtful to be honest. The set has been sitting in Wabtec's yard for several weeks and from previous pictures posted from Wabtec, more coaches were not far behind. ScotRail not accepting the set until the teething issues found in previously accepted rakes are resolved seems like a more feasible explanation to me. We'll know for sure if we see more rakes of completed coaches come north in the coming weeks, which if the snagging issues are resolved, we should.

Having 5 sets out and about is positive. Hopefully the maintenance crews are turning the corner and we see higher utilisation going forward. From what has been described on what people are putting up with on the HML, it can't come quickly enough.
 

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So despite ScotRail not accepting any more deliveries due to the refurbs not being to standard, there are at least several out. They have a greater number of classic sets which are nothing to do with Wabtec and whose reliability is chronic. Some serious questions for ScotRail to answer about their maintenance. They have been using Wabtec as an excuse to disguise their own incompetence.

I know I'm beating on something that has been discussed at length, but the fact that GWR and XC have hit the ground running with their refurb sets does drive a bus through the excuse that it's Wabtec's fault. As someone pointed out previously, the power car reliability issues are likely due to most of the power cars ScotRail receiving are the examples with the quirky/less reliable (GEC?) traction motors. There should be plenty of and traction motors available to address that issue now.
 

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It's been reported by several different members that Scotrail declined to accept any more sets until the kinks were worked out. After all, why would they want to pay lease charges on assets that they could not use?

starting to look like they can’t use what they already have.
 

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I know I'm beating on something that has been discussed at length, but the fact that GWR and XC have hit the ground running with their refurb sets does drive a bus through the excuse that it's Wabtec's fault. As someone pointed out previously, the power car reliability issues are likely due to most of the power cars ScotRail receiving are the examples with the quirky/less reliable (GEC?) traction motors. There should be plenty of and traction motors available to address that issue now.

Are the refurbs on the coaches the same for Scotrail and others?
If you have to re-traction the traction vehicles, it's going to get even more expensive....
 

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Northbound refurb failed last night north of Blair Atholl. It had been running on one power car all day. Couldn’t climb the hill out of Blair Atholl due to wheelslip. Returned to Perth and de-trained around midnight.
 

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Interesting to consider that a 67 can start a train of similar weights and configuration but they are not without their adhesion issues.
 

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So would it be safe to say that the refurb issues are PC based and not MkIII?
 

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Spotted last night in Queen Street. I think this was an 18:40 Aberdeen service?

Those vinyls produce an interesting ombre effect when they get dirty.

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Only 4 refurb and 2 classics out now so some of those mentioned earlier will be 170 not HST.
 

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Nope. Refurb Coaches have issues too. Ones I’ve been on have leaked in heavy rain and had door and toilet problems. Basically everything that’s meant to be sorted

How are they getting so filthy? The E&G 385 fleet isn't like this!

Maybe its a case of being afraid to run it through the trainwash :lol:
 

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How are they getting so filthy? The E&G 385 fleet isn't like this!

Maybe its a case of being afraid to run it through the trainwash :lol:

It’s the vinyls thats attracting the dirt. You can clearly see that in the picture posted above. Don’t think the train wash can clean the vinyls that well.
 

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It’s the vinyls thats attracting the dirt. You can clearly see that in the picture posted above. Don’t think the train wash can clean the vinyls that well.

Granted but the rest of the exterior is pretty filthy too.
 
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