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What TOC do You own then, so I can use My democratic right to Aviod it?
Why not avoid all TOCs since you seem to have such a problem with them.
I somewhat doubt they'll care.
What TOC do You own then, so I can use My democratic right to Aviod it?
Fairs are set in the main by a centrally managed system that would be Illigal in any other Industry. Imaging if Arriva and First Bus Companys started to fix fairs between them....
I agree. What could have been an interesting and useful debate about Sunday services, and the possibility of alternative routes on Sundays only, has been ruined by the aggressive, confrontational and arrogant nature of the OP's posts.
What TOC do You own then, so I can use My democratic right to Aviod it?
I'm wondering whether uksweet thinks that the post count league table (ie Greenback is a "TOC Owner") is actually a real statement?
Anybody would be expected to pay Doubble or More.
Very well spotted, clagmonster!the route via Brighouse was reopened to passenger services after privatisation, so it is possible that it was reopened after the routeing guide was introduced. In that case, at the end of the use of reasonable routes, Halifax-Mirfield via Leeds would surely have been considered reasonable
Rubbish again There's a direct Train between Wakefield and Leeds, Via Mirfield, Huddersfield, Halifax, Bradford and New Pudsey. are You trying to tell Me that is the same fair?
If not, then Your theory about York - Leeds via Harrogate is wrong too.
Now, the route via Brighouse was reopened to passenger services after privatisation, so it is possible that it was reopened after the routeing guide was introduced. In that case, at the end of the use of reasonable routes, Halifax-Mirfield via Leeds would surely have been considered reasonable, as the only alternative would be an even longer detour via Manchester. Therefore, there would surely be a case in this instance to lodge a routeing dispute.
Now, if this were succeed, leaving the fares as they are would surely create all sorts of anomalies, so surely the most logical thing to do would be to making the current fares route 'not Leeds' and introduce route any permitted fares at a slightly higher rate than the Halifax-Leeds fare. Presumably the West Yorks concession fares would still be 50p single.
In the meantime, I agree that the best solution is to split the ticket if wanting to take this route. In the case of concession fares, the most logical place to do this would be Leeds.
Let's hope that this can be achieved in subsequent posts. I'm not locking this topic just yet but I've got my sights on new posts within.
Seems to me that the OP must be auditioning for a spot on Grumpy Old Men!
Thanks a lot, Peter.In November 2003 the valid map was PN ... It was then valid to travel via Leeds and Dewsbury or Leeds & Wakefield as well as via Brighouse; it was also valid via Manchester.
A direct train is always valid, whether it is quickest/slowest or shortest/longest
Very well spotted, clagmonster!
This weekend I will have the chance to check the first (1996) edition of the Routeing Guide, the re-opening date of the line through Brighouse and the history of the West Yorkshire concessionary flat fare. I will report my findings here.
Well, that's deffo against Common sense..... Weather legal or not.
Very well spotted, clagmonster!
This weekend I will have the chance to check the first (1996) edition of the Routeing Guide, the re-opening date of the line through Brighouse and the history of the West Yorkshire concessionary flat fare. I will report my findings here.
Well, that's deffo against Common sense..... Weather legal or not.
But, how about the Fair structure between say Mirfield and Wakefield.
Hardly the Customers fault there are no direct Trains on a Sunday, and the via Leeds fare is far more.
Are you now arguing there should be *more* restrictions on which routes can be taken?
Are you now arguing there should be *more* restrictions on which routes can be taken?
How the heck can You think that from what I just said?
There is a bit of a difference between the ECML being shut for engineering works when of course the tickets will be allowed via a diversionary route, and a line being shut every Sunday.
No, if a direct is not running, then I just think it is unfair to make people pay for a much longer journey trough no fault of their own....
How the heck can You think that from what I just said?
I share the view of Deerfold that you implied that you believe direct trains that take a long way round should not be valid for such journeys, although you actually said it was "against common sense".
It's not shut - just infrequent. Every 2 hours + occasional GC trains which don't stop at useful places for the OP - Brighouse is a bit short and Wakefield Westgate's an overshoot - and I wouldn't wish WW on anyone!
Do You go out of Your way to twist what People actually say.
Sorry, that is NOT what I said.
I Said commonsense would dictate tho' it may be a legal route, it is much longer, and more importantly slower.
So, against Common Sense, not against the Rules.
You replied:MCR247 said:A direct train is always valid, whether it is quickest/slowest or shortest/longest
uksweet said:Well, that's deffo against Common sense..... Weather legal or not.
No, it is not every 2 hours.
It is shut. there are NO Trains between Mirfield and Wakefield, and why the heck would I go to Huddersfield to go to Wakefield?
I'm sorry-i'm confused.
I was referring to the halifax to huddersfield
Train being every 2 hours. I thought you were going to mirfield, not wakefield
Very quick one.
Today (Sunday) I went to the very good model Rail Show at Halifax, and afterwords wanted to get the Train Home to Mirfield. Having got the Bus to Halifax earlier in the Day.
Am I missing something? Why do you need a train that goes to Wakefield.
And as for correct English, your spelling and grammar has to be amongst the worst I've ever seen on this board - I was refraining from commenting on it, but I can't let that pass when you comment on it being correct.
You really don't have to insult everyone - I was trying to understand so I could help. I think I'm seeing why you're having such problems if this is how you deal with life as well as the Internet.
For what it's worth I don't think it's a ridiculous route to go via Leeds on a Sunday when it's quicker but that doesn't mean you should be told it's valid when it's not. Fortunately I'm usually on a day rover in West Yorkshire so don't have to worry about routing.
The post You were replying to (Not the thread) was about Mirfield to Wakefield.
As for grammar, when I went to school, People spoke English.
My spelling may not be perfect, as at 78, My keyboard skills may not be what they were.
If, You just read the first post, and then answer Nealy 4 Days later, then It's quite obvious why You get confused.
I have won the argument on common sense ground, as to rule on routing, that is subject to an obvious disagreement between a TOC, and the group paying / Subsidizing the Service. Metro say Yes, Northern say No.
BTW, I have just had to correct 6 miss-spellings on Your last Post.
The Customer (Metro) sets the priorities, and therefore are the ones who can play the trump card.