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amcluesent

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PBO station was quite serene at 16:45 when the CBG diverted service came in from KGX. Chalk and cheese compared to Sunday's chaos - I guess there have been very few EC trains coming down to PBO. Noticeable police presence though.

For peeps coming off the train, there was a waiting connection going to Edinburgh which pulled out at about 16:55. Didn't seem sardines busy, but then there was minimal info on the 14:30 going out of KGX - I consider myself lucky to have jumped aboard with minutes to spare. (I was also lucky to have been on the 07:40 going into London, I think it was the following service out of PBO that pulled the lines down)

It looked like an FCC service to KGX was planned for the evening, didn't hang about long enough to get the time.
 
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Just seen the ATOC spokesman on the BBC...

"...Most trains are running on time and we are carrying record numbers of passengers..."

Clown!!!
 

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Just seen the ATOC spokesman on the BBC...

"...Most trains are running on time and we are carrying record numbers of passengers..."

Clown!!!

That may well be the case for the year as a whole, but surely he should be intelligent enough not to trot that line out when services on so many routes have gone up the spout of late?
 

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Just seen the ATOC spokesman on the BBC...

"...Most trains are running on time and we are carrying record numbers of passengers..."
Does anyone else find that that quote reminds them of "we've never had it so good"? Lord Young isn't now working for ATOC by any chance, is he?

Seriously, while we're all in the grips of what is currently the coldest winter for a century, and as I don't blame rail operating Co.s or infrastructure Co.s with the same enthusiasm as some on here, then I do feel that its appropriate to make informed remarks which highlight some of the positive developments across the rail network; - increased passenger numbers has to be 'a positive'.

But there's a right time and a wrong time for every statement - and this one was made at the wrong time.
 

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Just seen the ATOC spokesman on the BBC...

"...Most trains are running on time and we are carrying record numbers of passengers..."

Clown!!!

I would love to see the stats for today but Scotrail are running at 54% so maybe technically true in that case. But does that take into account all the cancelled services.

I very much doubt even 51% of services were on time compared to the normal timetable.

The TOCs are doing there best but that comment is about as helpful as saying after a 10% price rise that some people can get from Edinburgh - London for £15
 

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5 EC trains will now run from KGX to the north tonight - they are:

18:30 London Kings Cross to Edinburgh
19:30 London Kings Cross to Newcastle
20:30 London Kings Cross to Newcastle
21:30 London Kings Cross to Newcastle
22:30 London Kings Cross to Leeds

No idea if they are through to Huntingdon or not.
 

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Some Grand Central services running through too...

National Rail Enquiries 17:28 said:
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The following service will run for the rest of today (Tuesday):

12:30 Sunderland to London Kings Cross will terminate at Peterborough
15:22 London Kings Cross to Bradford International is cancelled
16:50 London Kings Cross to Sunderland will run via an alternative route between London Kings Cross and York, with journey times extended by up to 90 minutes.
17:30 Sunderland to London Kings Cross will run on its normal route, and will call additionally at Doncaster and Peterborough
19:18 London Kings Cross to Sunderland will run on its normal route.
19:48 London Kings Cross to Bradford International will be retimed to depart from London at approximately 20:30, will run on its normal route, and will call additionally at Peterborough
Additional service: 21:45 London Kings Cross to Newcastle, calling at Peterborough, Doncaster, York, Darlington and Newcastle

Looks like they've finally realised that additional stops at Peterborough and/or Doncaster are extremely helpful in getting people direct to/from KGX on the few through services running tonight, also their 2145 additional service looks rather interesting if it really is Grand Central doing it as it appears to be going straight up the ECML and not via Sunderland...
 

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Just seen the ATOC spokesman on the BBC...

"...Most trains are running on time and we are carrying record numbers of passengers..."

Clown!!!

I don't know tbh, just taking a look at the live departure boards for about 20 major stations across the UK, I'd guess that just over half of all trains are arriving within 5 minutes of being on time. So technically maybe most are, but I think he'd be better off saying 'the majority' of the country's trains are on time, as it doesn't have to be an overwhelming majority to be a majority! ;)

3rd rail land seems to be doing surprisingly well!
 

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Perhaps he just checks Island Line. Media love to harp on about it's reliability & why doesn't the mainland follow it's lead. How exactly? Remove all junctions? :roll:
 

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I am sorry but I disagree with that point of view, I was on the 0619 East Coast Stevenage to Peterborough service this morning and although I didn't get home until 1120, most of the information as to what was actually happening was coming from FCC and not East Coast.

So why can't FCC get that information to their customers waiting at the stations or at home/office/etc waiting to leave for the station.

I do not mean "the line will be fixed at 12.37 precisely", but -

- For the next hour or two do you expect to run any trains.
- Where are they running from and to.
- Roughly what timetable or frequency do you expect to run.
- What are your plans for passengers where there is no train service.

FCC should have been able to get that sort of information out fairly promptly. Today they didn't, instead being late with any information, and that information that was being provided was contradictory, which to be honest is almost worse than no information at all.
 

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I don't know tbh, just taking a look at the live departure boards for about 20 major stations across the UK, I'd guess that just over half of all trains are arriving within 5 minutes of being on time. So technically maybe most are, but I think he'd be better off saying 'the majority' of the country's trains are on time, as it doesn't have to be an overwhelming majority to be a majority! ;)

3rd rail land seems to be doing surprisingly well!

Tbh he is probably right, the Yorkshire Branch Railway (formerly ECML) is pretty insignificant in the bigger scheme of things. Its London terminus only attracts slightly more passengers than Cannon Street, disruption north of Hitchin probably only affects a small proportion of those anyway.
 

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Looks like the 1840 has made it through to Huntingdon, and is approaching Peterborough as we speak... Fingers crossed for a better service tomorrow.
 

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Could EMT afford the time in their diagrams to run an emergency timetable extending to Doncaster? It would appear to be 21 minutes, and then EC could run comprehensive (full?) service from there northwards... I would have thought that between the EMT drivers that must sign the route anyway, XC and Northern there must be enough to sign it/act as route conductors? Even if some EC HSTs ran St Pancras>Doncaster, to strengthen what would otherwise be Meridian services?
 

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I found this quite funny.
(only in bold)

From East Coast Disruption website.
Grand Central
The following service will run for the rest of today (Tuesday):
12:30 Sunderland to London Kings Cross will terminate at Peterborough
15:22 London Kings Cross to Bradford International is cancelled
16:50 London Kings Cross to Sunderland will run via an alternative route between London Kings Cross and York, with journey times extended by up to 90 minutes.
17:30 Sunderland to London Kings Cross will run on its normal route, and will call additionally at Doncaster and Peterborough
19:18 London Kings Cross to Sunderland will run on its normal route.
19:48 London Kings Cross to Bradford International will be retimed to depart from London at approximately 20:30, will run on its normal route, and will call additionally at Peterborough
Additional service: 21:45 London Kings Cross to Newcastle, calling at Peterborough, Doncaster, York, Darlington and Newcastle
 

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The Atos Origin system at King's Cross has it as Bradford Interch (even on the scrolling display), as caught by a friend this morning;

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The Grand Central diverted via Cambridge with about 10
people on it. Why couldn't it have called en-route to help stranded passengers? I saw it whilst stood on the platform at Cambridge, so ironically those handful of passengers will make it to London before me, despite me having to jump through hoops to make it to Kings Cross.

just out of interest when did you get to kings cross? i was on the same EC service, as my FHT one was cancelled, and got off at grantham, then got the EMT to liverpool changed at nottingham and was in london st pancras by 11:58 ?

I also got back using the 1955 HST service got off at sheffield, where i live, so i didnt have too much trouble
 

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Sky News is saying that services should be 'normal' tomorrow but there will be speed restrictions in place.. presumably to help keep the wires up?

Given that successive years of cold weather shows that the wires almost certainly WILL come down somewhere, shouldn't they impose speed restrictions and an emergency timetable BEFORE something bad happens in the future?

I'll be travelling into town tomorrow, so I'll wrap up warm and take some food and drink for the inevitable fun and games!
 
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There is a slightly ammended timetable out tomorrow with slightly extended journey times, some leeds - kings x services are cancelled and nothing running to or from Glasgow which makes sense
 

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FCC has an emergency timetable that simplifies the running (and I believe also avoids the need for trains to switch tracks) and given people will stay home (and in this case, many are off for Christmas) then it should be more than able to cope with the passenger numbers.

On the TL route, all trains are meant to be 8-car and they've declassified first class. I am not so sure they can all run as 8 car on FCC as some stations can't take them, but the stoppers to Moorgate can all be 6-car.

Can't EC just run a simplified service with a standard stopping pattern? In this weather, people will surely accept longer journey times if they can be pretty much assured they'll run to time and have an element of recovery time if things go slightly wrong (and the slower speed keeps the wires up). If the railway works together, passengers will be able to change where necessary to get to other destinations and use the same ticket.
 

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if they are still allowing it, just go on midland mainline i did that today and it made my life so much easier :)

but it appears not so shame :(
 

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...anyone know what happened to the 19:53 newcastle to edinburgh? I was meant to get that and I arrived and was surprised to see it being on time, then all of sudden it dissappeared off the departure boards, and the platform staff seemed to have no idea what was going with it, no announcements - nothing lol. In the end I just got the delayed 18:59 which terminates in aberdeen, as east coast platform staff said to just get it, as they had no idea what was happening with the 19:53.

Have to say the stock really isn't coping well with the weather. the hst I got, had one toilet working in coach L out of what 10?11? coaches, coach F had no heating, and the electric doors that stopped the draft in the coaches all cacked as were the disabled toilet doors also preventing those being used... and we went passed a broken down train, and now on east coast site it says due "broken down trains" - so its plural now!

edit: hope all these problems clear up by nye, as I'm going to london for ny from edinburgh....eeek!
 

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It seems the 1953 (1700 from KGX) never started! That being the case, someone must have known it wasn't coming, given the fact your train would have needed to set off almost three hours beforehand!

Does Newcastle use this wonderful Atos Origin system by any chance? Maybe it hopes that the train will somehow turn up by magic and doesn't want you to lose faith.
 

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^^I have no idea tbh. the platform staff were bemused when it came up as the next train, despite there being good but small group of us obviously awaiting it. when asked they radioed, and no one seemed to have an idea whether it indeed was "on time" or if it was cancelled - then of course they all promptly did a dissappearing act, leaving us rather bemused for some 20/25 minutes. when I did finally track someone down, they still had no idea about this "ghost" train, and I just asked if I could just get the late running 18:59 to aberdeen which was shortly arriving, and she just rather numbly nodded...
 

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Surely they could find out if a train ever existed, given how long ago the train would have needed to get going! That's total madness!

No wonder people moan about lack of information! That's basic stuff, unlike giving info on what to do when things go wrong, which isn't always known.
 

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^^yeah I was discussing it with another passenger waiting for it. its not the delay so much, we all know the weathers sh|te and railways are under pressure, but it's the lack of information that really makes people fume. also you could tell the staff were under pressure, and seemed to be in the dark as much as us - I just don't understand, if a train doesn't exist, why was it still communicated as so?
 

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Given they've not even used their Twitter account, which has thousands of followers, since 2nd December, I am guessing it was some little pet project from someone who might now be on leave or off sick, thus the best way to get information quickly to those that need it is being ignored. Surely any large corporation has now realised how important social media is?

FCC seem to hate social media, probably because it spreads the word of the mass-disruption which they like to keep to themselves.. For instance, they disabled all forms of posting on their Facebook page a fair while back..:roll:
 

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But they have posters up all over the place boasting about how they use Twitter (and, they were one of the first too) so clearly they haven't always thought that.

I bet the person who did set it all up has left (maybe poached by DOR/EC?) and they don't even know how to continue with it. A major fail! Just like the way they don't bother to take their online forums seriously anymore, and if they've done that to their Facebook page then what a major U-turn for being open.

The new MD may well not understand social media, or even like it, but it's very important - and whether you think there's much point in using Twitter to post tweets, you can't deny that Twitter is the ideal way to relay information quickly to lots of people, in a format best suited for people who are out and only have a mobile phone. Far better than email and probably better (and quicker) than trying to send out loads of SMS messages, which cost money to send and can be delayed (and usually are, as most FCC texts I get are anything from 30-60 minutes late).
 

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Well, there's been nothing through Biggleswade this morning. 06:25 has t left Peterborough yet and the 06:59 is cancelled. No chance of getting to London for 8. This is getting ridiculous. We're not all on holiday you know!
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Oh goody, the 07:56 hasn't left Peterborough yes, but it's still "on time". Clearly these extensive engineering works at Huntingdon have been to install a wormhole.

What an incompetent shower.
 

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But they have posters up all over the place boasting about how they use Twitter (and, they were one of the first too) so clearly they haven't always thought that.

I bet the person who did set it all up has left (maybe poached by DOR/EC?) and they don't even know how to continue with it. A major fail! Just like the way they don't bother to take their online forums seriously anymore, and if they've done that to their Facebook page then what a major U-turn for being open.

The new MD may well not understand social media, or even like it, but it's very important - and whether you think there's much point in using Twitter to post tweets, you can't deny that Twitter is the ideal way to relay information quickly to lots of people, in a format best suited for people who are out and only have a mobile phone. Far better than email and probably better (and quicker) than trying to send out loads of SMS messages, which cost money to send and can be delayed (and usually are, as most FCC texts I get are anything from 30-60 minutes late).

KX driver manager: "Ah, Mr spare driver, we need you to drive the 1530, the booked driver is late arriving. But first, can you log onto twitter and let everyone know your just about to leave. I know it'll make you late, but its more important that the handful of people who would even dream of looking at twitter know your running. I know this handful probably wont be on your train, but that doesnt matter"

Spare driver: "But i dont know how to use twitter"

Driver manager: "Oh come here and i'll show you"

Driver: "But thatll make the train later. For heavens sake its more important to get trains running"

Driver manager: "No no, your wrong, its more important to use twitter than to get the train away on time"

Message on twitter: Im sorry but the 1530 is late running because we had to write this update on here.

Twitter? For heavens sake. They are a train operating company, or do they have shares in twitter?
If i want to find out about train services i would look at the national rail website, or the TOCs website. This would make it plainly obvious there are servere disruptions. It may not list my exact train that i intend to catch, but the website would make it plainly obvious things were not going to plan.
This would automatically tell me that my train may be cancelled, and it may be delayed. Hey it may even be diverted. I realise it may be a last minute thing, and i definitely dont expect to get precise information beforehand.

I would then make a decision. Do i head for the station or not. If i do, i would know that things may go tits up, and it would be my fault for heading for the train.

On a seperate note. I once got a text message telling me my ferry was cancelled. I was very glad of this, as i hadnt yet left London, and now didnt need to. If i hadnt received this text message, but later on heard that it had been mentioned on twitter, facebook, bebo or any other site like that, instead. Well, I would have been absolutely fuming. If FCC never sent me a text, but instead put info on twitter, i would be more fuming than any of you lot on here. If they never said anything anywhere, thats no problem. But if they put it on twitter, and not send me a text, if they have my number, then that is not ok.
On days like this, i expect problems. I head to the station knowing things will be up the swanny. I dont need to check online (well very rarely) because i know precise info may not be available. I know i may have to wait at the station, and i accept this, knowing that 9/10 times, they will do their best to get me from A to B.

This has nowt to do with info given to staff on the ground. This may well need to be better. Also, by the sounds of it, FCC have been quite poor at times with info on their website. But you lot are going OTT. The website tells you major delays are being experienced. You know what to expect when you get to the station. Cancellations, delays, diversions. I expect it, cant you?

Now if half the services from KX were cancelled, and the website never mentioned this, that is bad. But if the website said "Majority of services from KX cancelled", then thats fine. I understand what is happening. I realise decisions may be last minute. I realise i may be very late arriving somewhere. Its expected.

Now before any of you start shouting saying that twitter is the most important website in the whole entire world (dont worry, ive already called the doctor for you), it is fine if they put info on here, but not at the expense of text messages, and not before they put it on their website. Twitter must be the last priority. Do the obvious things first.
 

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What? Who on earth is suggesting that the drivers update twitter?

Twitter is just an information source, and just one of many destinations for information feeds. The point is that the information being given out centrally is non-existent, and there is no need for it to be so.

It may be OK for those who walk to the station and can get a Tube or bus, or drive a short distance instead, but if you've got a long journey there, if it's the only way to realistically get to your destination, and you have a series of early meetings that you have to rearrange if you can't turn up - yet again - then you need to know in advance. FCC are running a commuter service - a damn expensive one at that - this should be the least they can do.#

FWIW, their website said, this morning, that they were confident they'd run a full service. The live updates have been showing trains as 'on time' right up until well after they're due to leave. When the 06:59 from Biggleswade was eventually cancelled, the website showed that it was cancelled, that it was running but short formed, and that it was running from St Neots only, all at the same time.
 
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