Class 710 LO

[JonathanH]

There seem to be two or more 710/2s running with the 710/1s out of Liverpool Street.

Nominally, I would guess that one 710/2 is covering for 710124 and the other is effectively the unit which releases a 710/1 for the Romford-Upminster shuttle.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Nominally, I would guess that one 710/2 is covering for 710124 and the other is effectively the unit which releases a 710/1 for the Romford-Upminster shuttle.

That would make sense.

Long term what will fill the need for an EMU on the Romfrd-Upminster shuttle as I seem to recall that was going to soldier on with an older EMU ?. I had forgotten about that shuttle btw.

 

[59CosG95]

That would make sense.

Long term what will fill the need for an EMU on the Romfrd-Upminster shuttle as I seem to recall that was going to soldier on with an older EMU ?. I had forgotten about that shuttle btw.

Well, all the LO 315s and 317s have gone now...

 

[Peter Sarf]

Well, all the LO 315s and 317s have gone now...

Hmm, yes well I suppose Covid has something to do with no longer needing a heritage EMU for the shuttle !.

 

[JonathanH]

Hmm, yes well I suppose Covid has something to do with no longer needing a heritage EMU for the shuttle !.

They ultimately didn't need a heritage EMU for the Upminster shuttle. One of the 710/2s was nominally for the route.

 

[Peter Sarf]

They ultimately didn't need a heritage EMU for the Upminster shuttle. One of the 710/2s was nominally for the route.

I expect there was an explanation back in the mists of time.

 

[galwhv69]

The problem is from P17 towards Balham. Access to/from Kensington Olympia is fine.

Ah gotcha. Guessing it isn't feasible to get a unit(/s) from the depot into P16, use it on the service then in the evening return via a reversal at Victoria (using Battersea Reversible)

 

[87015]

710124 back in traffic, worked into Liv St earlier

 

[The_Train]

I am 100% sure this will be in this thread somewhere, but I am absolutely not trawling back through 90 pages of discussion but just looking for the coach formation for the 710/3's please?

Thanks

 

[JonathanH]

I am 100% sure this will be in this thread somewhere, but I am absolutely not trawling back through 90 pages of discussion but just looking for the coach formation for the 710/3's please?

Thanks

As in 710376 being 432176-432276-433376-432476-432576 or the motor arrangement?

 

[The_Train]

As in 710376 being 432176-432276-433376-432476-432576 or the motor arrangement?

That is basically what I was looking for - presumably the other numbers follow suit according to the unit number? And that the 4321** and 4325**'s are the driving ends?

 

[JonathanH]

That is basically what I was looking for - presumably the other numbers follow suit according to the unit number? And that the 4321** and 4325**'s are the driving ends?

Yes, the 4-car units miss out the 4324** coach but otherwise have the same numbering with 4321** and 4325** being the driving ends.

 

[The_Train]

Yes, the 4-car units miss out the 4324** coach but otherwise have the same numbering with 4321** and 4325** being the driving ends.

Thanks @JonathanH, appreciate that

 

[Wolfie]

Yes, the 4-car units miss out the 4324** coach but otherwise have the same numbering with 4321** and 4325** being the driving ends.

I guess that makes it easy if they decide to extend them.

 

[swt_passenger]

I expect there was an explanation back in the mists of time.

It wasn’t ever ‘explained’ in detail by TfL, IMHO, although it did get reported by an insider that the single 315 plan had been binned.

The original explanation for the 315 being kept was in “TfL board papers”, which are quoted from in post #758 of this thread, but it was written in the days when eight dual voltage units, ie 378s, were going to be transferred from NLL to the ELL for service enhancements to 20 tph. Obviously that has never happened, so in principle they are over provided with units currently.

 

[87015]

710377 NLL today

 

[Milo T.K]

Seems the ELL enhancement thing seems to be going ahead

It wasn’t ever ‘explained’ in detail by TfL, IMHO, although it did get reported by an insider that the single 315 plan had been binned.

The original explanation for the 315 being kept was in “TfL board papers”, which are quoted from in post #758 of this thread, but it was written in the days when eight dual voltage units, ie 378s, were going to be transferred from NLL to the ELL for service enhancements to 20 tph. Obviously that has never happened, so in principle they are over provided with units currently.

 

[swt_passenger]

Seems the ELL enhancement thing seems to be going ahead

Are there any recent announcements, everything I found when searching dates from 2019/20 or so…

 

[YSTrains]

Can someone tell me about the current operations of the 710/3s please.

 

[JonathanH]

Can someone tell me about the current operations of the 710/3s please.

Three of them usually work on the Euston to Watford line.

The other three aren't in London.

The news today is that one of the three that usually works on the Euston to Watford line has instead been working on the North London Line.

They can only work on the Watford to Euston Line and the North London Line because end doors (ie 378s) are needed on the East London Line and the Gospel Oak to Barking line needs to be operated by four-car units.

 

[The_Train]

Three of them usually work on the Euston to Watford line.

The other three aren't in London.

I've only currently got 377 as being active - which other 2 are in service?

 

[JonathanH]

I've only currently got 377 as being active - which other 2 are in service?

376 and 378.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I've only currently got 377 as being active - which other 2 are in service?

376 and 378.
Edit: @JonathanH beat me to it!

 

[The_Train]

376 and 378.

376 and 378.
Edit: @JonathanH beat me to it!

Bloody hell, you both must have clicked reply at the same time

Thanks both

Any idea when they entered service please?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Bloody hell, you both must have clicked reply at the same time

Thanks both

Any idea when they entered service please?

I must say from a selfish point of view I hope they don’t stay on the GOBLIN as I would appreciate the charging points on the Clapham Stratford services

 

[JonathanH]

Any idea when they entered service please?

I think the in service dates for the three 710/3s are
710376 - May 2021
710377 - June 2021
710378 - August 2021

I would appreciate the charging points on the Clapham Stratford services

I seem to find that the charging points in 710s send such insufficient and intermittent current that they don't really charge the battery (although the ones at the driving cab ends are a bit better than the ones at the other coach ends). Same with 230s/484s.

 

[The_Train]

I think the in service dates for the three 710/3s are
710376 - May 2021
710377 - June 2021
710378 - August 2021


I seem to find that the charging points in 710s send such insufficient and intermittent current that they don't really charge the battery (although the ones at the driving cab ends are a bit better than the ones at the other coach ends). Same with 230s/484s.

Thank you

 

[Peter Sarf]

I think the in service dates for the three 710/3s are
710376 - May 2021
710377 - June 2021
710378 - August 2021


I seem to find that the charging points in 710s send such insufficient and intermittent current that they don't really charge the battery (although the ones at the driving cab ends are a bit better than the ones at the other coach ends). Same with 230s/484s.

Gosh, nearly a year. How much longer until 710374, 710375 & 710379 enter service ?. Of course there is still 710270 to enter service as well.

I suppose the question really is when do the six 378s transfer from the NLL to the ELL. The six 710/3s were ordered for the NLL as replacements iirc ?. Currently 4 710s outstanding for six diagrams - so what have the two extra 710s (three 710/3s minus one 710/2) been needed for but won't be needed when the ELL takes its six 378s ?.

 

[JonathanH]

Currently 4 710s outstanding for six diagrams - so what have the two extra 710s (three 710/3s minus one 710/2) been needed for but won't be needed when the ELL takes its six 378s ?.

One covered the absence of 710124 but that is back in service now.

There always seem to be two 710/2s within the West Anglia / Upminster allocation even before the absence of 710124 when it would appear that only one may be expected.

 

[Peter Sarf]

One covered the absence of 710124 but that is back in service now.

There always seem to be two 710/2s within the West Anglia / Upminster allocation even before the absence of 710124 when it would appear that only one may be expected.

Yes, you remind me, I have encountered one or two 710/2s running out of Liverpool Street. It also seems they use about 25 out of 30 of the 710/1s (+1 on the shuttle) so perhaps availability of the 710/1s is not what it was planned to be ?.