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"Covid rising in England" - let's stop the fear mongering

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I see the BBC are at it too today:




It then goes on to explain that:


...but how many people will read that far into the article rather than just the headline and first paragraph,
so I think this definitely qualifies as yet more BBC 'fear mongering'






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To be honest, even if cases were rising, I really don't care. We just need to accept this is in circulation as do the media.
 
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To be honest, even if cases were rising, I really don't care. We just need to accept this is in circulation as do the media.

A woman on the BBC was even trying to redefine the word "mild" as used in "COVID is a mild illness" to make it seem much worse. The BBC are a disgrace.
 

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I see the BBC are at it too today:




It then goes on to explain that:


...but how many people will read that far into the article rather than just the headline and first paragraph,
so I think this definitely qualifies as yet more BBC 'fear mongering'






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It also says
'Other, more recent figures, hint cases may be on the way down.'

I've contacted them to ask why they contradict themselves and why lead with the more alarming headline.
 

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It also says
'Other, more recent figures, hint cases may be on the way down.'

I've contacted them to ask why they contradict themselves and why lead with the more alarming headline.
Also "hint cases may be on the way down" is untrue, they actually show that cases are on the way down.
 

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To be honest, even if cases were rising, I really don't care. We just need to accept this is in circulation as do the media.

I'm surprised as to how the likes of the BBC/Sky with their headlines such as that seem to fill themselves with excitement or they wetting themselves over it.

Lets flip it the other way, so BBC/Sky are cancer cases on the rise or what? I forgot even if we used cancer with a headline like this it wouldn't get the clicks.

I understood like the rags from The Sun/Mirror etc are clickbaiting but to see the BBC steeping this low and within the last couple years is quite astounding if I am honest.

The BBC of all the news organisations I would have thought not to go to this level but have, but even Sky with swapping hands from Murdoch to Comcast, (not forgetting ITN to an extent) but they all seem to have that one aim - cause alarm and fear onto the public yet under the same breath I bet they walk out the job without much fear.
 

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Just seen a preview of the ITV News at 6:30, which mentioned "Covid cases on the rise again. But how concerned should we be?". What the.....??!! Covid cases are NOT on the rise again! They're on the way down for crying out loud! Latest stats say they have fell by 14.4%!! I really don't believe this!!!
 

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Just seen a preview of the ITV News at 6:30, which mentioned "Covid cases on the rise again. But how concerned should we be?". What the.....??!! Covid cases are NOT on the rise again! They're on the way down for crying out loud! Latest stats say they have fell by 14.4%!! I really don't believe this!!!

The media don’t care… expect the roll out of fear…. As I said before and will say again where are the positive stories out of this? I have seen next to zero recently
 

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The best way to force the media to be honest about the situation is to simply not watch them, or click on their links. The more people that ignore them, the more they will sit up and take notice.
 

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Just seen a preview of the ITV News at 6:30, which mentioned "Covid cases on the rise again. But how concerned should we be?". What the.....??!! Covid cases are NOT on the rise again! They're on the way down for crying out loud! Latest stats say they have fell by 14.4%!! I really don't believe this!!!
LBC were at it this morning at 0745, claiming Covid cases were on the rise.
 

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When the office of national statistics is outdated but a rise is starting to occur, they don't go with the opposite headlines, do they?

I wouldn't take Zoe too seriously.
I agree; see my previous posts on the subject where I said I thought they were no longer as relevant or at the forefront of predicting increase or decrease in cases; since then the data has further backed up my view.

The actual figures are at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/, the ONS survey is also fairly reliable but always a few weeks out of date.
Yes ONS is probably a lot more accurate in many ways but is very out of date, hence this week's misleading headlines.
 

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The best way to force the media to be honest about the situation is to simply not watch them, or click on their links. The more people that ignore them, the more they will sit up and take notice.

I agree with the statement but on the other they need to be held accountable for their actions? As I say they spin on this and other events negatively so where are the positives in these events? It seems they all crave negativity, fear and alarm whilst rolling in the cash, meanwhile peoples lives are ruined one way or another whilst they lot seem to enjoy a good jolly about it.

I don’t care where people stand politically but push that to aside surely people must realise how much manipulation there is by the media? Media get who/what they want whilst the public suffer for their own actions?

Think back to the start of this who’s idea was it that said the public should buy certain items that then became out of stock? Ok we could say it was possibly a government source/scientists but it was media that manipulated it more, the media are responsible for this too, if we want to hold politicians/scientists etc to account then the media should be in that firing line too (shouldn’t we all agree on that at least?)
 

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Just seen a preview of the ITV News at 6:30, which mentioned "Covid cases on the rise again. But how concerned should we be?". What the.....??!! Covid cases are NOT on the rise again! They're on the way down for crying out loud! Latest stats say they have fell by 14.4%!! I really don't believe this!!!

ITV News claiming last night that "Cases were 7% up on this time last week.". Either they're lieing or they've got those up to date stats from somewhere. But where would they have got those stats from? Either way though, the press and media really needs to STOP this contant obsession with Covid stats, searching out negative facts and every time there is a bit of a rise in cases they're publishing/airing their doom mongering articles/reports of "Covid cases on the rise again", "Covid cases are continueing to surge", etc, etc! Enough is enough with this nonsense!
 

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ITV News claiming last night that "Cases were 7% up on this time last week.". Either they're lieing or they've got those up to date stats from somewhere. But where would they have got those stats from? Either way though, the press and media really needs to STOP this contant obsession with Covid stats, searching out negative facts and every time there is a bit of a rise in cases they're publishing/airing their doom mongering articles/reports of "Covid cases on the rise again", "Covid cases are continueing to surge", etc, etc! Enough is enough with this nonsense!

I thought media in general had sources from government sites or as an example the ZOE app but shouldn’t it be stated in the report or is this another thing media are playing at? Won’t state their sources for figures so we could make it up?

Mind you if you Google GMB OFCOM ITV have been known for issues (whilst I get this is ITV News main bulletin), but it seems ITV aren’t bothered about pushing buttons and the regulator seems happy to give them slapped wrists.

The thing is in terms of the headlines of cases rise by 7% all the media be jumping the bandwagon and it’s not only ITV but the usual ones too, the thing is I think the media don’t want it to end. It’s similar I caught on Twitter if it wasn’t the fear of the heatwave guess what’s came back to the drawing board? You guessed it Moneypox… media is obsessed of viruses, maybe that saying that’s going around could well be true… the media are the virus?
 

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ITU capacity can be easily overwhelmed. there's just enough beds for a "normal" year, but not geared up for a pandemic.

One of the biggest problems is Covid requires distancing, so you actually lose some beds on a Covid infused ITU ward.

Good news that cases are coming down though.
All capacity can be easily overwhelmed, I doubt many will stomach the cost of adding a third more capacity to leave it empty except in emergency situations. One of the main issues with efficient healthcare services is that efficiency often requires making best use of resources which makes responding to changes in demand difficult.

To repeat though, critical care (as majority of ITU beds are flexibly configured so can jump between ITU and non-ITU critical care) beds have increased in response to the pandemic. The latest peak had a relatively small number of adult critical care beds occupied by patients with covid (around 350), about 200 unoccuppied only available to covid patients. Occupancy excluding only available to patients with covid was about 80% around the norm for critical care. Prior to the pandemic critical care bed numbers weren't routinely collected during summer, the total available around 4200 is significantly higher than prior to the pandemic during winter where bed counts are higher in response to seasonal fluctations.

The challenge for the NHS is primarily workforce with a huge number of vacancies rather than absolute bed numbers.
I was about to post about this FAKE headline but you beat me to it.

The BBC have plunged to new lows; they really are a disgrace.

The headline is completely misleading and their disclaimer that " more recent figures suggest cases may be on the way down" does not excuse their actions and is a huge understatement.

Note their use of words such as "suggests" and "may"; these weasel words were chosen very carefully in order to suit the BBC's agenda.

The BBC say "People are still able to catch the infection even if they have had Covid before"; this is not technically wrong but the wording is, in my opinion, at best incomplete and at worst misleading, as the majority of infections are not reinfections, despite the vast majority of the population having already been exposed to Sars-CoV-2.

The BBC grudgingly admit towards the end of the article that fewer hospital admissions are testing positive and that there are fewer admissions.

The wording of this article is disgraceful, but is entirely consistent with the stance and behaviour I now expect of the BBC. I used to consider the BBC a far more respectable and trustworthy source of information prior to the pandemic, but my confidence in the BBC is now at an all time low and I now finding myself questioning many of their articles, not just Covid ones.

I can't see a name associated with this article. I'd like to see those responsible brought to account and for a full investigation to take place into the BBC's reporting of the pandemic throughout the past couple of years.
The ONS is now the most reliable source for UK covid infections. The only other one attempting to measure UK covid infections is Zoe, but that has the latest peak around the same as early April which was substantially higher in the ONS data than the latest ONS numbers. Possible different proportion of symptomatic infections between the two but could easily be that Zoe finds it harder to evaluate infection probability given symptoms without the subsequent test data.

"suggests" and "may" commonly appear in scientific papers particularly where data is inconclusive or subject to limitations. The covid dashboard case numbers by default are for England so are different to the UK headline. Northern Ireland don't publish case numbers anymore, Wales the different case definition means the numbers flatline compare to England/Scotland, Scotland while published Public Health Scotland refer only to ONS infections in their bulletins as they view it as more reliable and England most cases are from lateral flow tests beyond government guidance. It's hard to know how representative those who still take lateral flow tests are for the wider population, it's plausible that group comparatively would take more precautions during high prevalance so would peak earlier. (For similar reasons the people most likely to be admitted to hospital may also take more precautions so peak earlier than the general population). Dashboard only measures 'new' infections rather than current which peak earlier as well. My guess would be the peak for new infections is roughly right with medium confidence meaning "suggests" rather than "shows".

The BBC have fairly consistently only reported the ONS numbers rather than covid dashboard post the testing change. The original post of this thread is to an article where they don't mention the dashboard numbers even though they would have been increasing. The latest article does while slightly inconsistent is understandable for context that both new or current infections are likely to either peaked already or will soon. It's one of the trade offs of doing less testing that reliable infection data and trends take longer to be confirmed.

I'm not aware of any publicly available reliable data on how many recent infections are reinfections? The dashboard only counts them where both infections are recorded which is unlikely. Methodologies that take into account unrecorded infections, e.g. from ONS data, are likely to show the majority of new infections are now reinfections.
 

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The best way to force the media to be honest about the situation is to simply not watch them, or click on their links. The more people that ignore them, the more they will sit up and take notice.

Agreed on this. It is extremely irritating that the news outlets (especially the BBC in its role as “national broadcaster”) are clearly bigging all this up.

However people should be able to interpret what they see, and treat it with caution like for any news story. Most people do seem to have returned to a pretty normal way of life now, so despite the media’s best efforts it doesn’t seem to be having much influence on the majority of people. Naturally there remains those with their own agenda, for whatever self-beneficial or political reasons.
 

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Agreed on this. It is extremely irritating that the news outlets (especially the BBC in its role as “national broadcaster”) are clearly bigging all this up.

However people should be able to interpret what they see, and treat it with caution like for any news story. Most people do seem to have returned to a pretty normal way of life now, so despite the media’s best efforts it doesn’t seem to be having much influence on the majority of people. Naturally there remains those with their own agenda, for whatever self-beneficial or political reasons.

The big danger is if there is another "wave" of COVID during the autumn or winter, and the locktivist establishment try to bully the new prime minister into introducing restrictions.

Fortunately most Conservative MPs are against more COVID restrictions, so I think Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak would have a hard time trying to convince them that new measures are necessary.
 

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The big danger is if there is another "wave" of COVID during the autumn or winter, and the locktivist establishment try to bully the new prime minister into introducing restrictions.

Fortunately most Conservative MPs are against more COVID restrictions, so I think Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak would have a hard time trying to convince them that new measures are necessary.
Don't think Sunak would be receptive to calls for restrictions but don't trust Truss one inch.
 

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Firefighters had it right all along, don't trust a Truss! Apparently they often fail in serious building fires.

Whilst Liz Truss might be more receptive to pressure from the locktivists, she will be aware of opinion within her cabinet and the wider Conservative party, who would no doubt tell her in no uncertain terms that even compulsory face nappies are not acceptable.

If Mrs Truss were to try and implement COVID restrictions against the opinion of her cabinet and backbench MPs, then her term of office as Prime Minister will be very short indeed.
 

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Whilst Liz Truss might be more receptive to pressure from the locktivists, she will be aware of opinion within her cabinet and the wider Conservative party, who would no doubt tell her in no uncertain terms that even compulsory face nappies are not acceptable.

If Mrs Truss were to try and implement COVID restrictions against the opinion of her cabinet and backbench MPs, then her term of office as Prime Minister will be very short indeed.

I don’t really know much about Truss - why do we think she might be more liable to implementing restrictions?

One way or other, we need a leader who is prepared to justify a position, as opposed to a meaningless policy like “follow the science”. To be fair Johnson did grow a pair of balls last year, or more to the point was literally forced to do so by his party.

Unfortunately the whole leadership contest has been a pretty motley line-up, but we knew that was going to be the case, which is why Johnson lasted so long, and is also to a considerable extent how he got the job in the first place. At least going forward we’re unlikely to have a PM who proved so completely unfit for office from an ethical standards point of view.
 

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Is that even the case, given how relatively mild Omicron is? Is it not comparable to the 1999 flu or 2009 swine flu, for which there were no lockdowns or restrictions at all? (I am not sure, it's a genuine question).
Although Omicron is called Covid, it is more like Influenza-21 than Covid-19 for having such a low severity rate.
 

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When you consider that covid cases are rising, th backlog of people waiting for NHS treatment and now monkeypox there is a certain inevitability that restrictions are due again.

I think we are just going to have to get used to wearing masks during the winter months and social distancing. Hopefully most years will be mild and this is all that will be needed but on some more severe years a month or two lockdown will be a sacrifice that we just have to make to protect the vulnerable and the health services.

It's not great but mask wearing and social distancing are more or less normalised now for most people. Lockdowns are less so but if done in January when little is going off after Christmas's and its cold and dark outside then working from home and staying in is something we can live with. Plus it helps save money after Christmas.

As the experts tell us we cannot afford to become complacent now and undo all our achievements to date. This is the new normall for at least a few more years.
 

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Although Omicron is called Covid, it is more like Influenza-21 than Covid-19 for having such a low severity rate.
It's called covid incorrectly, Covid-19 is what's caused by the Sars-CoV-2 virus. If no or few symptoms then you don't have Covid-19.
 

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When you consider that covid cases are rising, th backlog of people waiting for NHS treatment and now monkeypox there is a certain inevitability that restrictions are due again.

I think we are just going to have to get used to wearing masks during the winter months and social distancing. Hopefully most years will be mild and this is all that will be needed but on some more severe years a month or two lockdown will be a sacrifice that we just have to make to protect the vulnerable and the health services.

It's not great but mask wearing and social distancing are more or less normalised now for most people. Lockdowns are less so but if done in January when little is going off after Christmas's and its cold and dark outside then working from home and staying in is something we can live with. Plus it helps save money after Christmas.

As the experts tell us we cannot afford to become complacent now and undo all our achievements to date. This is the new normall for at least a few more years.

With all due respect I think you’re living in a parallel universe!
 

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When you consider that covid cases are rising, th backlog of people waiting for NHS treatment and now monkeypox there is a certain inevitability that restrictions are due again.

I think we are just going to have to get used to wearing masks during the winter months and social distancing. Hopefully most years will be mild and this is all that will be needed but on some more severe years a month or two lockdown will be a sacrifice that we just have to make to protect the vulnerable and the health services.

It's not great but mask wearing and social distancing are more or less normalised now for most people. Lockdowns are less so but if done in January when little is going off after Christmas's and its cold and dark outside then working from home and staying in is something we can live with. Plus it helps save money after Christmas.

As the experts tell us we cannot afford to become complacent now and undo all our achievements to date. This is the new normall for at least a few more years.
Why you pedalling masks? No we don't have to as they have no effect, when are certain people, the media and politicians actually going to get their heads around this? Also social distancing won't happen, economy won't support it nor will majority or population.
 

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When you consider that covid cases are rising, th backlog of people waiting for NHS treatment and now monkeypox there is a certain inevitability that restrictions are due again.

I think we are just going to have to get used to wearing masks during the winter months and social distancing. Hopefully most years will be mild and this is all that will be needed but on some more severe years a month or two lockdown will be a sacrifice that we just have to make to protect the vulnerable and the health services.

It's not great but mask wearing and social distancing are more or less normalised now for most people. Lockdowns are less so but if done in January when little is going off after Christmas's and its cold and dark outside then working from home and staying in is something we can live with. Plus it helps save money after Christmas.

As the experts tell us we cannot afford to become complacent now and undo all our achievements to date. This is the new normall for at least a few more years.

No, we're used to normality now. There is no achievement to speak of. Covid is running it's course as it was always going to do, whilst humanity has had its resilience brought forward by the excellent vaccines.

I'm not even sure what use mask wearing is supposed to be against monkey pox anyway !
 

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When you consider that covid cases are rising, th backlog of people waiting for NHS treatment and now monkeypox there is a certain inevitability that restrictions are due again.

I think we are just going to have to get used to wearing masks during the winter months and social distancing. Hopefully most years will be mild and this is all that will be needed but on some more severe years a month or two lockdown will be a sacrifice that we just have to make to protect the vulnerable and the health services.

It's not great but mask wearing and social distancing are more or less normalised now for most people. Lockdowns are less so but if done in January when little is going off after Christmas's and its cold and dark outside then working from home and staying in is something we can live with. Plus it helps save money after Christmas.

As the experts tell us we cannot afford to become complacent now and undo all our achievements to date. This is the new normall for at least a few more years.

Where is the money going to come from for these measures of which you speak? We’re already screwed over as a result of the last lot of restrictions.

In any case, we got through last winter without a lockdown, and the rest of the measures will have made no difference. So as well as being unviable restrictions are also unnecessary. I also think a significant majority of the population have now moved on. For those who enjoy working at home, that’s for them to negotiate with their employers, not drag the rest of the population into lockdown simply because they can’t be bothered to get up in the morning or pay for a season ticket.
 

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When you consider that covid cases are rising, th backlog of people waiting for NHS treatment and now monkeypox there is a certain inevitability that restrictions are due again.

I think we are just going to have to get used to wearing masks during the winter months and social distancing. Hopefully most years will be mild and this is all that will be needed but on some more severe years a month or two lockdown will be a sacrifice that we just have to make to protect the vulnerable and the health services.

It's not great but mask wearing and social distancing are more or less normalised now for most people. Lockdowns are less so but if done in January when little is going off after Christmas's and its cold and dark outside then working from home and staying in is something we can live with. Plus it helps save money after Christmas.

As the experts tell us we cannot afford to become complacent now and undo all our achievements to date. This is the new normall for at least a few more years.

Remember the 2 weeks to flatten the curve?

You also do remember it’s us plebs that are thrown to the wolves whilst those in media and politics will be unscathed by all this? Obviously not learnt anything whilst we plebs locked down those in media and politics partied, read that part again, you seriously think this new normal as you call is ok? Lockdown via media?

Aah advocating lockdown? You paying? I worked through it as I work in care and I don’t agree with the attitude of people going into autopilot of working from home to be on furlough, but hey as long as it keeps you happy

On topic of lockdown you do realise it made not a jot of difference other than cause more burden on the NHS whilst other treatments and appointments were ignored? I didn’t realise that I might other health issues but it’s ok just to ignore it though?

Maybe it’s those in the elite and media should make sacrifices and help us than create crises that us go through, they are quick to pull the rug under us isn’t it time we pulled the rug from them?
 
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