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Blackpool - Manchester Electrification

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LeylandLen said:
A crossover was installed between Buckshaw and WCML at Euxton Junction so as to avoid conflicts of services with WCML , therefore I assume Buckshaw will be a terminating station ideally using EMUs in the long term plan as and when there are enough EMUs to operate the stand-alone service.?
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Errr ... a new 60mph turnout was added to the Up Fast at Euxton providing a bit more parallelism, but it connected to the Up Bolton, converting the existing single turnout into (effectively) a crossover - that was back in the mid-2000s. The trailing crossover on the Chorley side of Buckshaw is Friday Street Ground Frame crossover, relocated (the old one being one of the many issues that existed at Chorley prior to electrification). At the time the GFX was moved there was no regular service over it, but it was retained at the behest of the Operators to help with turnbacks in perturbation, but from the Preston direction originally. Had anyone asked us to design something to use as a regular turnback from Manchester, we would have provided a bay!

That said, I'm a happy regular on the xx.05 ex Victoria and fear it will become deeply unreliable when it becomes a Preston service.
 
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Bertie the bus said:
The Furness line has nothing to do with Blackpool – Manchester electrification and neither do 769s. Please keep your growing obsession with putting commuter spec trains on long distance routes to the relevant threads.
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Brighton - Bedford 101 3/4
Manchester Airport - Barrow in Furness (Via bolton) 96 3/4

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Greybeard33 said:
I know the (reduced) Airport - Barrow/Windermere via Wigan services are to be worked by 158s until July. However, the diagram I was referring to consists entirely of short workings under the wires between Preston and the Airport via Wigan. It starts with 1U90, the 0607 Preston to Airport, http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y60165/2019/05/29/advanced, and ends with 1T59, the 1929 Airport to Preston, http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S57592/2019/05/29/advanced. The associated ECS working 5T59, 2039 Preston to Preston Croft Street Sidings, is loaded as a 319, http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S57601/2019/05/29/advanced. This seems odd if this STP service will really be worked by a 158.

Are you sure enough 158s are coming to the North West to work this diagram as well as the Barrow/Windermere ones?
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I've heard (can't for the life of me remember where from) that the idea is for this reduced diagram to be 319 worked until July by when, hopefully, it can switch to 195 working.
The path is quite tight from Preston south to Golborne Junction with a Virgin service just 3 or 4 minutes behind through Wigan, so it needs to be a 90/100mph capable unit, either 319/158/323 really.

It does mean there might be one less EMU free to operate via Bolton, but should only be a short term measure.
 
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LeylandLen said:
A crossover was installed between Buckshaw and WCML at Euxton Junction so as to avoid conflicts of services with WCML , therefore I assume Buckshaw will be a terminating station ideally using EMUs in the long term plan as and when there are enough EMUs to operate the stand-alone service.?
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LL you are mistaken the crossover was installed on the Chorley side of Buckshaw to turn back services, the crossover nearer Euxton Jcn is so that services from the UP SLOW line from Preston can return to the UP BOLTON Line after the junction has put them on the DOWN BOLTON line at the junction
 
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Foggycorner said:
LL you are mistaken the crossover was installed on the Chorley side of Buckshaw to turn back services, the crossover nearer Euxton Jcn is so that services from the UP SLOW line from Preston can return to the UP BOLTON Line after the junction has put them on the DOWN BOLTON line at the junction
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ok can now understand the configuration of the relevant lines and crossovers. I can see that it would have been possible to install a bay at Buckshaw with better planning, too costly now ?,given the amount of land now used for the free car park and bus area.Its a growing estate for those that are not familar with the area with new-ish Tescos, Aldi, Costa , KFC etc. Certainly plenty of use for the railway station , car park not big enough so cars parking on roadway ...wait for dreaded double yellow lines !!
 
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LeylandLen said:
ok can now understand the configuration of the relevant lines and crossovers. I can see that it would have been possible to install a bay at Buckshaw with better planning, too costly now ?,given the amount of land now used for the free car park and bus area.Its a growing estate for those that are not familar with the area with new-ish Tescos, Aldi, Costa , KFC etc. Certainly plenty of use for the railway station , car park not big enough so cars parking on roadway ...wait for dreaded double yellow lines !!
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Buckshaw only makes sense as an emergency turnback - hence the simple crossover provided. It just happens to have been a useful 'get out of jail' for the shortage of DMUs.

The real traffic objective of services via Chorley is to reach (at least) Preston.
 
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You probably could still get a dead end ‘bay’ on the unused side of the down platform if you really needed one, but i don’t see the point of one.
 
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jonesy3001 said:
any reason why there was a WMT 319 doing test runs last night on the bolton line?
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O02097/2019/04/30/advanced

Same again tonight;

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O02195/2019/05/01/advanced
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Don’t suppose it has anything to do with a LM painted 319 that’s sat on Crewe old Diesel Depot is it? Believe they’ve been having some refurbs done under the sole bar. Certainly very black and shiny under there. All 319s appear to have lost their old SF pantographs too if the LNR stock is anything to go by.
 
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jonesy3001 said:
any reason why there was a WMT 319 doing test runs last night on the bolton line?
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O02097/2019/04/30/advanced

Same again tonight;

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O02195/2019/05/01/advanced
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I presume that the 319 has been seen to be a WMT one - there's no clue in the tracking.

Here's the full schedule.
525M 2120 Crewe H.S. to Preston
534M 0001 Preston to Salford Crescent
538M 0041 Salford Crescent to Buckshaw Parkway
542M 0125 Buckshaw Parkway to Salford Crescent
550M 0203 Salford Crescent to Preston
558M 0445 Preston to Crewe H.S.

Departure times are nominal, and are those quoted for last night. Tonight's times are very slightly different.

EDIT: It's 319429 tonight, so presumably was last night as well. I caught up with it just over half an hour ago at Salford Crescent.
 
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Does anyone know where and what damage was done to the OHLE between Preston and Blackpool North last Saturday evening?
 
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Whistler40145 said:
Does anyone know where and what damage was done to the OHLE between Preston and Blackpool North last Saturday evening?
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According to RTT the first train affected was the 1835 Liverpool Lime Street to Blackpool North which is shown as having been terminated at Preston Fylde Junction at 1938 (6L). That, of course, may mean that it came to a stand somewhere between there and Salwick. No further trains ran westbound until the 2131 ex-Manchester Piccadilly which left Preston at 2301 (25L). Trains continued to run eastbound for another hour or so but only if they were diesel-operated, except the electrically-powered 1932 Blackpool North to Preston and 1936 Blackpool North to Manchester Airport.

Diesel services resumed mid-morning on Sunday, but electrics didn't resume until mid-afternoon. Sorry, I don't know what the fault was.
 
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It was an earthing wire that came loose and was shorting things out. Happened at Kirkham as it was reported as being on a mast on the Up Lytham, a line where the wires don't stretch very far.
 
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With the new timetable looming is Man vic Preston now allowed to have its full complement of electrics or are we still awaiting the great extension lead from Stalybridge.
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Joseph_Locke said:
That said, I'm a happy regular on the xx.05 ex Victoria and fear it will become deeply unreliable when it becomes a Preston service.
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Especially as quite a few diagrams have crew travelling pass from Blackburn to Preston to pick them up and work them to Manchester...
 
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Can anyone tell me which, if any of the weekday Bolton to Horwich services are likely to be electric.

Despite travelling on the line roughly weekly I'm yet you enjoy any electric traction.
 
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ic31420 said:
Can anyone tell me which, if any of the weekday Bolton to Horwich services are likely to be electric.

Despite travelling on the line roughly weekly I'm yet you enjoy any electric traction.
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jonesy3001 said:
should go mostly EMU traction when the may TT change kicks in, but it is northern.
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Yes, I agree with the above comment. It's thought that Northern won't have quite enough EMUs to cover all diagrams which could use them, but it seems the most likely one to be covered by a DMU is a Manchester Airport to Preston via Wigan North Western duty, so it may be that all Bolton line Northern services will be electric from next Sunday, 19/5.

If you don't fancy waiting until then, I think you should find that the following should be EMUs, 13/5 to 17/5. Bolton to Horwich 0826 and every two hours to 1826 (Manchester Victoria to Buckshaw Parkway services) then 2036 (Manchester Victoria to Preston). Horwich to Bolton 0731 (Blackpool North to Manchester Victoria) then 0931 and every two hours to 1931 (Buckshaw Parkway to Manchester Victoria). A small proportion of the Manchester Airport to/from Preston and Manchester Piccadilly to/from Blackpool North journeys should also be electric, but I'm afraid I can't find my scrap of paper with the times on.
 
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Mathew S said:
Or have I got my wires crossed?

(Sorry :oops:)
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If you pardon the pun ;)

I mean they changed some diagrams to EMU between the timetable changes, so I don't see any reason why they wouldn't for the new ones!
 
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Jozhua said:
If you pardon the pun ;)

I mean they changed some diagrams to EMU between the timetable changes, so I don't see any reason why they wouldn't for the new ones!
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I did say sorry, lol :D

But yes, I know that (there were two simultaneously broken down 319s in Bolton station that screwed up my commute home last Tuesday just to prove it). I'm sure I remember someone very patiently examining, though, that until the extension lead was connected they could only run a small number of electric trains via Bolton so as not to overload the supply. I could, of course, be talking gibberish and have completely misunderstood.
 
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Mathew S said:
I did say sorry, lol :D

But yes, I know that (there were two simultaneously broken down 319s in Bolton station that screwed up my commute home last Tuesday just to prove it). I'm sure I remember someone very patiently examining, though, that until the extension lead was connected they could only run a small number of electric trains via Bolton so as not to overload the supply. I could, of course, be talking gibberish and have completely misunderstood.
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No, that sounds about right! Does anyone know where the power is currently coming from? Is it just connected to the power supply for the electric in the rest of Manchester?
 
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Jozhua said:
Does anyone know where the power is currently coming from?
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Was discussed here
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...r-electrification.66879/page-316#post-3866501
ic31420 said:
Can anyone tell me which, if any of the weekday Bolton to Horwich services are likely to be electric.
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Was discussed in Allocations/Diagrams section of the forum at
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/bolton-electric-services.178289/#post-3879095
(But only valid until 18th May anyway)
 
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