ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

hexagon789 · 2 Dec 2020

Goldromans said:
In summer I traveled on what I later discovered what the first set delivered, and I noticed a lot of the seat coverings were coming undone, which was a real shame.

Not an exclusive to HST issue unfortunately, I've noticed the same issues on certain DMU/EMU classes

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43096 · 2 Dec 2020

Speed43125 said:
Given the lack of word on a replacement HST set, I suspect we will only hear about it either after its appearance, or it's lack thereof becomes apparent,

A power car (or two) going into Loughborough from Ely would be an obvious indicator.

OmniCity999 · 2 Dec 2020

43096 said:
A power car (or two) going into Loughborough from Ely would be an obvious indicator.

has this happened? /yet?

fgwrich · 2 Dec 2020

43096 said:
A power car (or two) going into Loughborough from Ely would be an obvious indicator.

The odds were last on 165 I believe... though of course it might not happen anyway.

InvHst · 2 Dec 2020

BRX said:
That's overstating it a bit isn't it?

The 4 cars can fit on platforms 3 and 4 with plenty to spare, as can be seen in this video at 10:45 or 11:40:

As far as I can see, there'd be no problem with fitting all the coaches of a 5 car set on the platform; the question of course would be the implications of the power car going beyond the signal.

I sem to remember some discussion previously on the thread that the signals at Inverness allow this on some platforms but maybe that's only 1 & 2 (I certainly remember watching the sleeper depart from those platforms, back when it had a load of motorail vans on the front, with the loco(s) well beyond the signals)

Not at all platform 3 and 4 will never fit a five car plus powercars as they would foul the signal on 3 and 4 they have had that issue in the past regarding too many dmus being in the platform beforehand. Happened last year a few times a 4 car 158 and a 170 came into platform 4 caused a quick shunt out so 3 and 4 would have to be rebuilt to allow safely. 1 and 2 aren't an issue as such as they can accommodate 2x4 hsts on 2. Platform 1 does overhang but doesn't cause the same problem

43096 · 3 Dec 2020

OmniCity999 said:
has this happened? /yet?

No. “Would be” in my post is the key phrase.

Steven_G · 9 Dec 2020

There is a path in for Thursday. Marked as a light diesel locomotive and 75mph......that's different, it would say HST and 125mph

Is this a batch of coaches being pulled by standard diesel loco?

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marks87 · 9 Dec 2020

Steven_G said:
There is a path in for Thursday. Marked as a light diesel locomotive and 75mph......that's different, it would say HST and 125mph

Is this a batch of coaches being pulled by standard diesel loco?

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Not with a '0' head code. That's loco(s) only.

A pair of power cars coming back up on their own?

najaB · 9 Dec 2020

marks87 said:
Not with a '0' head code. That's loco(s) only.

A pair of power cars coming back up on their own?

That's quite likely. I would've thought coaches would go to Slateford, at least temporarily.
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So, I make it the better part of an hour past the departure time and no sign of this running...

Steven_G · 10 Dec 2020

Well, it's late but running.

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najaB · 10 Dec 2020

Steven_G said:
Well, it's late but running.

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Any reports on what it is - a pair of power cars like we thought?

scotraildriver · 10 Dec 2020

It's a pair of failed powercars being hauled by something. Not sure what though.

fgwrich · 10 Dec 2020

najaB said:
Any reports on what it is - a pair of power cars like we thought?

47813 + 43124 / 43164. Delayed due to the failure of 57310 (there’s a surprise) which was originally booked to haul the PCs back to Edinburgh.

InOban · 10 Dec 2020

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Looks like a replacement pair going south tomorrow.

Azzy49 · 10 Dec 2020

When is the first 5 Car Set due to come onto the Scene? Extraordinary to think it will only be 4 Carriages shorter than the long formwr LNER Hsts

marks87 · 11 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
When is the first 5 Car Set due to come onto the Scene? Extraordinary to think it will only be 4 Carriages shorter than the long formwr LNER Hsts

“Only” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence!

Speed43125 · 11 Dec 2020

marks87 said:
“Only” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence!

I share that sentiment. Surely we'd look at it as being half the length of a former East Coast set?

Dave91131 · 11 Dec 2020

Azzy49 said:
When is the first 5 Car Set due to come onto the Scene? Extraordinary to think it will only be 4 Carriages shorter than the long formwr LNER Hsts

Perhaps more striking comparisons would be only one coach shorter than the remaining EMR sets, and the same length as or longer than the XC Voyagers.

Clansman · 11 Dec 2020

ScotRail have a lower density spec on their Mk3s, so you'd be pushing it if you were taking a refurb set and passing it off as like for like with the ex-LNER sets when proportionating the lengths.

43096 · 11 Dec 2020

Clansman said:
ScotRail have a lower density spec on their Mk3s, so you'd be pushing it if you were taking a refurb set and passing it off as like for like with the ex-LNER sets when proportionating the lengths.

The ScotRail sets are of similar seating density to the LNER sets in standard and have a lower proportion of first class.

hexagon789 · 11 Dec 2020

Clansman said:
ScotRail have a lower density spec on their Mk3s, so you'd be pushing it if you were taking a refurb set and passing it off as like for like with the ex-LNER sets when proportionating the lengths.

By two seats, it's basically the MM/EMT/EMR 74-seat layout which is identical to the late-BR (and continued by the ICEC franchises) 76-seat layout minus two seats replaced by a luggage stack.

I'm not sure adding two seats would really be that bad!

47271 · 11 Dec 2020

Someone give us a laugh and remind us how many seats GWR fitted into a Standard Class mk3?

OmniCity999 · 11 Dec 2020

47271 said:
Someone give us a laugh and remind us how many seats GWR fitted into a Standard Class mk3?

Was it not 84?

InvHst · 11 Dec 2020

fgwrich said:
47813 + 43124 / 43164. Delayed due to the failure of 57310 (there’s a surprise) which was originally booked to haul the PCs back to Edinburgh.

InOban said:
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Looks like a replacement pair going south tomorrow.

It was 124 and 148 that went back today 164 must of failed so 124 had an extra trip back to Scotland and back to Doncaster

hexagon789 · 12 Dec 2020

47271 said:
Someone give us a laugh and remind us how many seats GWR fitted into a Standard Class mk3?

80 on the low and high-density sets, 84 on the super high-density sets

Worth remembering XC are also 80, and so was Greater Anglia's LHCS Mk3 Standards, so GWR were not alone

OmniCity999 said:
Was it not 84?

On the super high-density sets, yes

Azzy49 · 12 Dec 2020

Dave91131 said:
Perhaps more striking comparisons would be only one coach shorter than the remaining EMR sets, and the same length as or longer than the XC Voyagers.

Yeah that's better said.

GlitterUnicorn · 12 Dec 2020

there are about 5 sets of refurbished coaches at Slateford right now, minus powercars. The ends are pretty heavily boarded up too so it doesn't look temporary.

Any idea what they're doing there?

mcmad · 12 Dec 2020

Probably stored while there is a reduced timetable.

scotraildriver · 12 Dec 2020

They will be moved when the new Cadder depot becomes available. There's simply nowhere to keep them just now. Should have been tomorrow but its not.

dmkc · 15 Dec 2020

Talking of stores coaches whats the story with the rake of classic coaches sitting in the yard at Dundee? Been there a wee while now. Obviously not required but presumably still leased?

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