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ISTR that Piccadilly units were longer than stock on the other tube lines. Is that the 'tunnel' factor?
'38 Stock are:ISTR that Piccadilly units were longer than stock on the other tube lines. Is that the 'tunnel' factor?
I doubt that compressors could be fitted under '73 DMs, now after the equipment added at refurb.
Could they justify running a 20 minute service (ie 3 trains per hour) during busy periods ? Unfortunately passing loops are in the wrong places to operate a 30 minute frequency.
I suspect it is operationally convenient to keep the service as Ryde to Shanklin because a train takes almost exactly an hour to do a round trip.
When I 1st went just after the 483's were introduced, it was a train every 20mins. Services passed at Sandown and between Smallbrook and Ryde St Johns.
I believe they currently only have 6 servicable units, so 100% availability required to do that now.
Unfortunately, if given the new trains you would have to put in place on the line the same level safety equipment that is being out into the tracks on the LUL within the tracks of the IOW line, which would make it pretty expensive for the IOW council to have them.
One thought cross my mind, however they may be too tall in height is the Class 313's once Southern has finished using them?
Indeed as was mentioned previously the old 1920s-vintage 485/486 sets were 3 & 4-cars long and could run as 7. Therefore if any restrictions on length have recently been introduced then it's fair to assume that this can be put right at a cost.
As long as the height restriction is an issue, I can't see a tramway-type solution being viable on the Island Line.
And now for the dumb question:
How did they get the '38 stock over in the first place?
And don't just say "on a boat"
There would be too little cost for too little benefit in replacing them. The IoW railway is not very long which equates to not much wear and and tear compared to chugging up and down the mainline.
Why bother to fix up a pacer or a HST when better designs are available which will save money in the long run because they don't need constantly fixing.
then again, the slamdoors (411 and 421) survived 50 years or so..
they could get 15 years out of the HST's and 20 more years out of the pacers (not that anyone wants 20 more years of the pacers)
True, but I suspect the PRM-TSI legislation starts to come into play. If we'd had accessibility requirements to meet 10 years ago, the SR slammers would probably have been withdrawn sooner.
True, but I suspect the PRM-TSI legislation starts to come into play. If we'd had accessibility requirements to meet 10 years ago, the SR slammers would probably have been withdrawn sooner.
If a little over twenty years ago NSE had the budget available (rather than it being massively cut back pre-privatisation) there would barely have been any slammers in their area by 2000; it would have been Networkers as far as the eye could see.
I don't think that there's rolling stock on the IOW that is less than 50 years old, unless there's a mark 2 coach on the steam railway...
Trust me to be away when an Isle Of Wight thread crops up! I can confirm that the guards are no longer moving between carriages. During the day the two coach sets have one guard in each coach. This means that everybody is made to pay their fare which previously was not always the case. I suspect that the station usage figures will grow! In the evening/early morning the Shanklin end coach is locked out and everyone travels in one coach. I don't know why this has come about but I would be interested to find out!
I remember seeing vacancies for jobs over there a little while a go, fairly sure it was for guards. One of the requirements was that you had to live on the Island.That's very interesting, presumably there must have been an incident involving a fall or injury moving between cars. Have IL recruited in order to have the manpower for essentially doubling their number of turns?!
Trust me to be away when an Isle Of Wight thread crops up! I can confirm that the guards are no longer moving between carriages. During the day the two coach sets have one guard in each coach.
When discussed back in 2010 ...........
..... They confirmed they intended to use 73 stock in 2 car formations.
Moving to 2013, 1973 tube stock is now planned for a life extension (and 1972 stock ditto).
No tube stock will be released for a very very long time yet.
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Nicj
Both services I traveled on today only had one guard but both carriages in use. This effectivly made one coach a "free" coach. This really can't be good. I wonder what the offical reason is. Makes you think is there anything they can do in order to use the doors again.
It would be good if they could sort something out like that. Ticket barriers are an option but I guess then you have the issue of manning them. It was frustrating today though as the poor guard could only look through the window to see a carriage full of people who got on at stations with no ticket buying facilities!
Why would the "poor guard" care? If as suggested there is a new policy preventing him/her entering the other coaches, then they are doing less work or having an easier time at work, for the same salary. Win win!
It would be good if they could sort something out like that. Ticket barriers are an option but I guess then you have the issue of manning them. It was frustrating today though as the poor guard could only look through the window to see a carriage full of people who got on at stations with no ticket buying facilities!
Can't he alternate between coaches at stops? Though I understand, that would be harder with a doubled-up train.