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Thank you for this smashing film.

I fear trams to the beach will be zapped by moderators, to be fair to them they have a duty to keep things within bounds.

I'll be following you.

Good luck.
 
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Ive always been a fan of the old school massive 1m(Yard?) by 1m paving slabs of York stone as platform edges though im sure they are practically impossible to adjust. Kind of reminds me of the oldschool massive rectangular stone pavement slabs on old streets you never see nowadays
Ah, yes. There are some of those near where I live. Impossible to walk on in wet weather when leaves have fallen on top of the stone making them incredibly slippery.
 

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Yeah a lot of them have worn smooth. They wernt machine cut like modern stone and originally would have had a much rougher chiselled surface.
 

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The Auto Transformer Feeder Substation was delivered over the weekend at Ordsall Lane ready to connect the long extension lead from Stalybridge to.
 

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Yes but with only a 3 amp fuse fitted!! :lol::lol::lol:

Haha nice joke! A class 319 would take up to 40A though at 25kV, pushing 50A for a more powerful unit of equivalent length. More for longer units, locos, Pendolinos, etc...
 

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The magnificent Pendolino passes through Layton at 10:53 this morning.
these are my favourite trains to watch.

So while being a rail fan, I admit to not being very knowledgeable about all things so I have a question. Years ago when I lived in and worked in London on the London Underground I used to travel back to Blackpool on the Pullman. I seem to remember it took just under 3 hours and usually just stopped at Preston or Crewe. When did the Pullmans stop running? and why? because that was a direct fast link back in the 1980s. I kind of remember the Pullman looked similar to the Pendolino but it was years ago.
 

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I don't recall there ever being a Blackpool or Preston Pullman.
The BR electric Pullmans (1st class only) ran to Manchester and Liverpool (half a train) until the MK3s came in in the 1980s, when they disappeared.
The Pullmans were very early Mk2-based airconditioned stock built for the 1966 electrification, but they were superseded by Mk3s.
Their might have been a "Pullman service" (meals at seat) on some Mk3 services afterwards.

There were fast Euston-Preston(-Glasgow) services, non-stop to Preston, but I don't think they ever reached Blackpool.
There were also a few Euston-Blackpool HSTs in the 1990s, part of the Holyhead circuit that worked to Blackpool off-peak.
They disappeared when Pendolinos/Voyagers came in.
There was a fairly recent 1630 Euston-Glasgow Pendolino, first stop Preston, but it now has standard stops.
The trend has been towards standard hourly services with standard stopping patterns.
There's no room in the timetable for 1-a-day services with special stock which sits in sidings off-peak.
 

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I don't recall there ever being a Blackpool or Preston Pullman.
The BR electric Pullmans (1st class only) ran to Manchester and Liverpool (half a train) until the MK3s came in in the 1980s, when they disappeared.
The Pullmans were very early Mk2-based airconditioned stock built for the 1966 electrification, but they were superseded by Mk3s.
Their might have been a "Pullman service" (meals at seat) on some Mk3 services afterwards.

There were fast Euston-Preston(-Glasgow) services, non-stop to Preston, but I don't think they ever reached Blackpool.
There were also a few Euston-Blackpool HSTs in the 1990s, part of the Holyhead circuit that worked to Blackpool off-peak.
They disappeared when Pendolinos/Voyagers came in.
There was a fairly recent 1630 Euston-Glasgow Pendolino, first stop Preston, but it now has standard stops.
The trend has been towards standard hourly services with standard stopping patterns.
There's no room in the timetable for 1-a-day services with special stock which sits in sidings off-peak.

It was in 1986-1990 when I used to get the Pullman (or the Pullman service if that's what it was) but it was really fast and would go all the way from London Euston to Blackpool. I would get a return for around £10 because I had a pass to get 90% off train fares. For an extra £1 I could reserve a seat and for another extra £1 I could bump my ticket up to first class. There were first and second class seats. They changed to First class and standard class at some point, I don't remember when.
 

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I don't recall there ever being a Blackpool or Preston Pullman.
The BR electric Pullmans (1st class only) ran to Manchester and Liverpool (half a train) until the MK3s came in in the 1980s, when they disappeared.
The Pullmans were very early Mk2-based airconditioned stock built for the 1966 electrification, but they were superseded by Mk3s.
Their might have been a "Pullman service" (meals at seat) on some Mk3 services afterwards.

There were fast Euston-Preston(-Glasgow) services, non-stop to Preston, but I don't think they ever reached Blackpool.
There were also a few Euston-Blackpool HSTs in the 1990s, part of the Holyhead circuit that worked to Blackpool off-peak.
They disappeared when Pendolinos/Voyagers came in.
There was a fairly recent 1630 Euston-Glasgow Pendolino, first stop Preston, but it now has standard stops.
The trend has been towards standard hourly services with standard stopping patterns.
There's no room in the timetable for 1-a-day services with special stock which sits in sidings off-peak.
There was a Lancashire Pullman that ran in the late 80’s using the Mark 3 coaches. I can’t remember the timings. Interestingly - on a Summer Saturday - the 10:30-ish Blackpool to London used these coaches and were often hauled by a pair of Class 20’s.
 

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The moment you've all been waiting for - the newest GSoP! For those wondering, my final exam (on Geotechnical Engineering) went pretty well.
So, without further ado..:

GSoP Post 7.0
Manchester Victoria - Preston; State of Play, week beginning 28th May 2018 (inc. Bank Holiday).

32 bases & 188 masts remain.
All mileages from Manchester Victoria. Bridge mileages are approximated where noted.

1. Man Vic Station (West End) - Man Vic West Jct - Deal Street Jct; 0m 0ch to 0m 32ch
Fully wired 2013-15.

2. Deal Street Jct - Salford Central (East End); 0m 32ch to 0m 59ch
Fully masted. Limit of electrification is currently at 0m 46ch; SPS is up along the unwired stretch.

3. Salford Central; 0m 59ch
Fully masted, most SPS (Small Part Steelwork e.g. dangly bits) up. No wires.

4. Salford Central (West End) - Windsor Bridge South Jct; 0m 59ch to 1m 46ch
All bases in place, mostly with masts, no catenary or earth wires. Two runs of Earth wire are up; many thanks to @Joseph_Locke for the information. More going up on 17/5.

5. Windsor Bridge South Jct - Windsor Bridge North Jct (inc. Salford Crescent); 1m 46ch to 1m 70ch
No wires. No bases in Salford Crescent P2, though Orangemen were out & about spraying fresh paint on the small retaining wall on April 23rd; these may be potential positions for new masts. At least 3 bases are in adjacent to P2, behind the fence; a 4th driven tube appears to be unfinished, hidden by undergrowth at the Bolton end. @GRALISTAIR believes 1 base is missing, and about 3 masts are missing.
Both tracks to the east of Salford Crescent (the Up & Down Bolton thru P1, and the Up Bolton immediately to the east of that) are completely bedanglied through the station.
S Jct looks ready for wiring, but mast gaps still present at N Jct. Lots of SPS up immediately north of Salford Cres.; all stalactites up beneath the bridge at the south end on all lines.Registration arms have now appeared on all of these; many thanks to @Joseph_Locke and @GRALISTAIR for the information.

6. Windsor Bridge North Jct - Clifton (South End); 1m 70ch to 4m 57ch
Many bases in place, some with masts, no wires.
At Pendleton (the Old Station site), just north of Broughton Rd Bridge (2m 26ch), the Pendleton retaining wall has been cut back in several places to make room for bases (which are all now in).
Between Frederick Rd & Broughton Rd (2m 26ch) bridges, most masts are up, except on the "problem bases" around Broughton Rd. The 3 bases, between Broughton Rd Bridge & Cockrobin Bridge (approx. 2m 51ch) have all now been driven home.
The "problem base" north of Cockrobin Bridge may be a TTC (Twin Track Cantilever) on the s'bound side (see photo A020m).
Dangly bits up near Agecroft, but no work on missing bases in the walled stretch north of Agecroft Rd.
Steelwork north of Park House Rd Bridge looks complete.
Structure going up between Agecroft Rd bridge and Clifton, nr Lumns Lane.
Lot of masts with SPS up on the southern approach to Clifton.

7. Clifton Station; 4m 57ch
1 boomed TTC (with SPS), no wires. Base for another TTC in behind the southbound platform.

8. Clifton (North End) - Kearsley (South End); 4m 57ch to 7m 57ch
Most/all bases in place, large no. of masts, no wires.
Concrete slab base curing north of the former Dixon Fold station site (around the new footbridge, approx. 6m 00ch); most/all masts up there, with lots of stovepipes up.
Looking south from Kearsley, all masts that are up appear to be fully kitted out with SPS.

9. Kearsley Station; 7m 57ch
All bases in place, no masts, no wires.

10. Kearsley (North End) - Farnworth (South End); 7m 57ch to 8m 31ch
All masts (almost all with booms), no wires. Dangly bits starting to appear at the Kearsley end. Farnworth tunnel (8m 25ch) has all its registration arms in place.

11. Farnworth Station; 8m 31ch
All bases in place, 1 or 2 masts, no wires.

12. Farnworth (North End) - Moses Gate (South End); 8m 31ch to 9m 06ch
A pair of bases & squat masts are up between Farnworth Station footbridge and Rawson St Bridge (approx. 8m 44ch).
Fully boomed and partially bedanglied TTCs up between Rawson St & the Balustraded Bridge (approx. 8m 56ch).
The Gravity "Base of the century" just south of the Squeeze Belly Entry footbridge (approx. 8m 67ch) is now curing away nicely, with shuttering removed.

13. Moses Gate Station; 9m 06ch
Fully masted, no wires

14. Moses Gate (North End) - Bolton (South End); 9m 06ch to 10m 50ch
Weston St to Moses Gate looks almost ready for wiring.
Many bases, many masts, no wires. SPS and Tensorex drums appearing on some masts/cantilevers around Burnden Jct (10m 09ch).
All uprights appear to be up on both sides of Lever St footbridge; a multi-track portal is up immediately to the south of the bridge. To the north (on the east side), a TTC with reduced-height registration arms is up.
Orlando St Bridge appears to be fully "stovepiped".

15. Bolton Station; 10m 50ch
Through the station, all lines are fully masted with the exception of P1 (1 mast missing between Weston St & Newport St bridges) and P5 (1 mast missing between Weston St & Bradshawgate Tunnel), according to the observations of Reg.
The 1st TTC up over P1/2 has now been bedanglied; in total, P1/2 is covered by 4 TTCs and 3 STCs. P2 still requires its "termination mast".
Platforms 98% open to public; the 2% not open is a fenced-off section of canopy support to the right of signal "MP9239". P2 buffers look finished. Canopies look complete.
Earth wires now going in; the first one runs parallel to P3, from the southern end almost up to the road bridge at the northern end. A second one (parallel to P5) is up, and it extends south through Burnden as far as the eye can see.

16. Bolton (North End) - Lostock (South End); 10m 50ch to 13m 52ch
Newport St bridge has now had studs/brackets of some kind drilled in. The run of masts between Newport St & the NW end of P5 now have their earth wire affixed. Gt. Moor St. bridge now has a stovepipe in on the Down side. The most recently cured base, fresh from unwrapping, has now had a mast & two dangly assemblies put up (see pic. A300k).
Between Newport Street Bridge & Moor Lane (the Bullfield Tunnels area), the tunnels are bedanglied throughout, with Aerial Earth Wire (AEW) brackets up in both. Cable ducting troughs laid between New St & Black Horse St on the Down side, in the cess.
The overrun along the line to Blackburn (as far as Bradshawgate Tunnel) looks nearly ready for SPS & wires.

East of Dean Clough Bridge (12m 26ch), 2 "failed" driven pile bases on the southbound side now have formwork for concrete gravity pad replacements in position, awaiting the concrete pour.
Between Dean Clough Bridge and 'the' Ladybridge (next one further west), all masts appear to be up, with cantilever assembles affixed (and folded out of place).
Thence, between 'the' Ladybridge and Beaumont Rd, all 22 STCs are in, and 2 out of the 3 TTCs are up too.
All bases are in place between Beaumont Rd & Lostock station. 11 masts are still missing.

Just south of Lostock, outstanding short, fat bases are being driven, augered out, rebarred and then concreted; this process is also being used on the overrun for the Wigan lines, via Lostock Jct (13m 39ch).
Masts have started to appear immediately south of Lostock; at the extreme southern end of the station, a twin track portal with SPS has been erected, with the uprights for a 4-track portal over Lostock Jct waiting to be "boomed" immediately south of that. 3 "failed" protruding, uncapped pile bases are on the Wigan Line; one assumes that gravity pad replacements will eventually be in the offing.
A UTX has been installed in the "vee" in Lostock Jct, for buried service access.
Work currently going on with stacks of cable ducting on the Wigan Line - possibly from the substation?

17. Lostock Station; 13m 52ch
Switchgear box delivered 6th April '18.
Two bases in behind the Down line platform north of the station bridge; the first bears a TTC (sans boom), the second is next to an abandoned Large-Dia. pile and will probably bear a TTC.

18. Lostock (North End) - Horwich Pkwy (South End); 13m 52ch to 15m 50ch
Two more UTXs have been installed in the "vee" between the two lines, to the north of the station.
Immediately north of the station, the closest TTCs to the platforms have now sprouted part of their switchgear kit.
For a mile between the stations, all wires up from the "Golf Course" Footbridge (approx. 14m 04ch) to half a mile south of Horwich Pkwy (approx. 15m 10ch). Earth wires have gone up on the Down side immediately north of the station; these presumably extend to the existing wired section.
All masts appear to be in place with SPS for the remaining sections between the two, including the A6027/De Havilland Way overbridge, which now has dangly bits mounted on the walls.

19. Horwich Parkway Station; 15m 50ch
Two new TTCs up on the south end of the platforms; one portal and one TTC to go up. (Thanks again to @Joseph_Locke for that gen.) Bedanglied TTCs now up through the station, with more to erect.

20. Horwich Pkwy (North End) - Blackrod (South End); 15m 50ch to 17m 14ch
All masts appear to be up NW of Horwich Pkwy to the M61 bridge. (Thanks again to @Joseph_Locke for the gen.) Earth/AT wires linking 9 masts together between the 2 stations, heading north (on the Up side) from immediately north of the M61 bridge (approx. 16m 29ch).
More Earth/AT wires are now up immediately NW of the footbridge at the NW end of Horwich Parkway Car Park, on the Down side (N'bound); the footbridge in question has also been sandwiched by some very complex-looking steelwork (presumably for the reduced clearances).
SPS appearing on portals near Blackrod, and SPS assemblies have been folded out of the way on the station's southern approach.
Work has resumed on the footbridge that will replace Red Moss foot crossing; complex portal/masts are up there too.

21. Blackrod Station; 17m 14ch
Some more bases in place, no masts, no wires. Empty mast base at the southern end (not the northern end, as was writ in error).

22. Blackrod (North End) - Adlington (South End); 17m 14ch to 19m 15ch
Lots of masts up just north of Blackrod, with SPS all fitted. Some base replacement work occurred over 17th/18th Feb to replace failed bases. Successful bases have masts up with SPS on.

23. Adlington Station; 19m 15ch
Some bases in place, 1 mast up (Down side), no wires.

24. Adlington (North End) - Chorley (South End); 19m 15ch to 22m 20ch
2 short stretches of wire on the s'bound track.
Bespoke mast fixings going up on Yarrow Viaduct (21m 26ch at the southern end); 3 of the 4 are in place. The southern pair are now in; work on the northern pair has stopped after the alleged discovery of large void within the structure.

25. Chorley Station; 22m 20ch
Some bases in place, no masts, no wires.

26. Chorley (North End) - Buckshaw Pkwy (South End); 22m 20ch to 24m 39ch
Many bases, some masts, 1 or 2 wires. Roof brackets affixed in Chorley Tunnel (23m 20ch to 23m 25ch), and at least 6 dangly bits/SPS are up in the Flying Arches cutting. All bases on top of the retaining wall at the northern are mastless.

27. Buckshaw Parkway Station; 24m 39ch
Some bases in place, 2 masts up (both on Down side), no wires.

28. Buckshaw Pkwy (North End) - Euxton Jct; 24m 39ch to 25m 31ch
Almost fully masted; about half the wires up until halfway to Euxton, then fully wired the rest of the way.

Do let me know if I've missed anything!
 

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The moment you've all been waiting for - the newest GSoP! For those wondering, my final exam (on Geotechnical Engineering) went pretty well.
Congratulations. I hope you passed with flying colours. It would have been useful knowledge had you been employed on this scheme!

Do let me know if I've missed anything!
It's been a long time since we've had any reports on the Windsor link (Ordsall Lane to Windsor Bridge South).
 

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14. Moses Gate (North End) - Bolton (South End); 9m 06ch to 10m 50ch
Weston St to Moses Gate looks almost ready for wiring.
Many bases, many masts, no wires. SPS and Tensorex drums appearing on some masts/cantilevers around Burnden Jct (10m 09ch).
All uprights appear to be up on both sides of Lever St footbridge; a multi-track portal is up immediately to the south of the bridge. To the north (on the east side), a TTC with reduced-height registration arms is up.
Orlando St Bridge appears to be fully "stovepiped".

1. Fingers, toes etc all crossed for a good result in your Finals. Please let us know.
2. Please see Reg's photo from yesterday looking southwards from Lever St footbridge, plus its caption:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/42387510652/in/album-72157661069863633/

3. Carry on the fine work with GSoP

Dave
 

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Congratulations. I hope you passed with flying colours. It would have been useful knowledge had you been employed on this scheme!
It's been a long time since we've had any reports on the Windsor link (Ordsall Lane to Windsor Bridge South).
I agree, we've had a bit of a dry spell that way! The irony of learning about all these faults in the soil was made more poignant still as the problems unfolded...

1. Fingers, toes etc all crossed for a good result in your Finals. Please let us know.
2. Please see Reg's photo from yesterday looking southwards from Lever St footbridge, plus its caption:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/42387510652/in/album-72157661069863633/

3. Carry on the fine work with GSoP

Dave
I certainly will make it known as to my final grade - the waiting game begins! Regarding Point 2 - the update on the earth wire is covered in Point 15 of the GSoP; the GSoP will take another sabbatical (5 days only) from next Wednesday to the following Monday (6th-11th of June); Download Festival beckons...

Cosmo
 

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.....So while being a rail fan, I admit to not being very knowledgeable about all things so I have a question. Years ago when I lived in and worked in London on the London Underground I used to travel back to Blackpool on the Pullman. I seem to remember it took just under 3 hours and usually just stopped at Preston or Crewe. When did the Pullmans stop running? and why? because that was a direct fast link back in the 1980s. I kind of remember the Pullman looked similar to the Pendolino but it was years ago.

Information from a copy of the 5 May / 1 October 1989 B R Passenger timetable :

Monday to Friday The Lancashire Pullman left Blackpool North 06.26

calling at Poulton, Kirkham, Preston, Wigan NW, Warrington BQ, Crewe and Watford Jnc.

Arriving Euston 09.45.

The Saturday service ( same timings) was not a Pullman.

The return trip left Euston at 16.30.
 

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It's been a long time since we've had any reports on the Windsor link (Ordsall Lane to Windsor Bridge South).

Last time I was down there all the steelwork including danglie bits were up but there was no sign of wires. It is likely you will know if major work is ongoing on the Windsor link as it will require the shutting of the DSE lines as well due to signalling arrangements for possessions.
 
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