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Yes, from what I hear it's in pretty good shape generally just now. Stock maintenance is settled, trains running in consistent formations and no significant traction issues.

Obviously we're tempting fate here and tomorrow's northbound Highlander will lurch into Inverness at 2pm with square wheels. :)

<D Debatable - only this week southbound service had 2 coaches locked oou due to MA fault.
 
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I take it the service is having a good period of reliability at the moment with no posts in this thread for a while?

Does anyone know if or when the 92's will be back out to play and on which services they will be working? I'm looking at a sleeper trip in the new year and would like to get class 92 haulage if possible (I've already got 73/9, 66, 67 and 90 haulage).

Down Inverness portion was around 55 late one day this week on RTT - it might even have been yesterday, the day you posted this :cry:
 

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Yes, from what I hear it's in pretty good shape generally just now. Stock maintenance is settled, trains running in consistent formations and no significant traction issues.

Obviously we're tempting fate here and tomorrow's northbound Highlander will lurch into Inverness at 2pm with square wheels. :)

Not true, regular MA faults,short formations and incorrectly marshalled sets are a regular occurrence just now.
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73s gone bang bang? Or just exams?

They are very unreliable locos. Regular failures. At one point there was two or three a week not so long ago.
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There are rumours that the the 87 and 86's are going to be used on the sleepers instead of the 92s until the new stock arrives due to failures and even talk of getting the class 91s that will be displaced from East Coast whether new stock arrives too, although they would need re geared I was told.

Don't even want to think about what they are going to do next year when the sleepers will move semi permanently to kings cross for the building of that daft HS2 or whatever it's going to be called. Kings cross can only take 12 plus a loco max

The lowlander will load 12 vice 16

The Inverness will run load 8 on its own

The ft william and Aberdeen will run either load 8 from edinburgh or load 10 if they decide to keep the day coaches on the train
 

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Not true, regular MA faults,short formations and incorrectly marshalled sets are a regular occurrence just now.

You may be right, I'm only going by reports from two or three regulars who use the Highlander on a weekly basis. Maybe they've been lucky for the last couple of months, but in their view things are way better than they were a year ago.
 

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You may be right, I'm only going by reports from two or three regulars who use the Highlander on a weekly basis. Maybe they've been lucky for the last couple of months, but in their view things are way better than they were a year ago.

Only last night 1M11 was wrongly marshalled in having a berth coach at the front before the guards van and lounge. Berth coach leading into Euston and locked out because it was in the wrong place.
 

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Only last night 1M11 was wrongly marshalled in having a berth coach at the front before the guards van and lounge. Berth coach leading into Euston and locked out because it was in the wrong place.
Was this possibly a planned move? I only ask because getting the formation wrong like that requires quite impressive levels of incompetence on the part of several people.
 

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92014 is lacking its EH equipment which got ripped off in an "incident"...

It has an ETS fault, but it's not due to a pullout.
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I think I just read that re-geared 91s might be used. Err, no. That's one for the glue sniffers..
 
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There are rumours that the the 87 and 86's are going to be used on the sleepers instead of the 92s until the new stock arrives due to failures and even talk of getting the class 91s that will be displaced from East Coast whether new stock arrives too, although they would need re geared I was told.

How many more times.......

Given that there are three 86/87s and a minimum of 4 per night required, even without the Carstairs portion and ECS locos, how does that work?

As for the new stock, Class 92 is the only game in town as it is the only electric loco type that can meet the train supply requirements.
 

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Was this possibly a planned move? I only ask because getting the formation wrong like that requires quite impressive levels of incompetence on the part of several people.

No staff to do shunting at the depot.
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How many more times.......

Given that there are three 86/87s and a minimum of 4 per night required, even without the Carstairs portion and ECS locos, how does that work?

As for the new stock, Class 92 is the only game in town as it is the only electric loco type that can meet the train supply requirements.

Watch this space re the 90s and 92s.
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Just seen a shot on Flickr of 86401 on Caledonian duties at Glasgow, when did this get the repaint? Is it just working ECS at the moment?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/neil_sutton/29477394954/

It's not confined to ecs duties although it usually does the ecs from euston to wembley. It will have worked up from London due to a shortage of 92s. Only problem with bringing the 86s and 87 up here is that not all the Scottish based drivers are passed on them.Not all the Scottish drivers sign 92s either.
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The Cl 47 are no use either.

The 47s are crap. The 2 that were up here in use when Lamington Viaduct was closed were on their last legs.
 

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How many more times.......

Given that there are three 86/87s and a minimum of 4 per night required, even without the Carstairs portion and ECS locos, how does that work?

As for the new stock, Class 92 is the only game in town as it is the only electric loco type that can meet the train supply requirements.

Well if 92033 can prove itself just as 92014 once did after it's traction motor overhaul at Loughborough, maybe they can have just one 92 on the Glasgow sleeper again...
 

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There are rumours that the the 87 and 86's are going to be used on the sleepers instead of the 92s until the new stock arrives due to failures ....

Where were these rumours heard, may one ask? Sounds a bit like pub talk to me. :lol:

What's wrong with continued use of the FL 90s when required?

....and even talk of getting the class 91s that will be displaced from East Coast whether new stock arrives too, although they would need re geared I was told.

I'll believe that when I see it .... quite apart from what has been already said, all existing locomotives on the network have insufficient ETS to supply the new CAF stock .... apart from the 92s.
 

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Where were these rumours heard, may one ask? Sounds a bit like pub talk to me. :lol:

What's wrong with continued use of the FL 90s when required?



I'll believe that when I see it .... quite apart from what has been already said, all existing locomotives on the network have insufficient ETS to supply the new CAF stock .... apart from the 92s.

Would Class 88s be able to?
 

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Sure, I just wasn't sure if you were counting 88s in, because they're not technically part of the UK fleet yet. Fair enough.

Info I've gleaned from elsewhere online is that a 92 has an ETS of 180, while an 88 is likely to be the same as a 68 at 100.

Current maximum Mk3 ETS take is around 110, while the new stock is circa 50% higher.

In any case, not even a super ETS version of the 88 will run the CAF stock (not that DRS will be getting such a micro fleet anyway!). The CS Mk5s will utilise the 92s 1500V output.
 

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With that kind of ETS requirement it does make you wonder why they don't just put a pantograph vehicle on the stock and be done with it.
 

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Has anyone ever done that in the UK other than test vehicles? It seems not unusual on restaurant cars in mainland Europe, presumably to power them while there is no loco.
 

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With that kind of ETS requirement it does make you wonder why they don't just put a pantograph vehicle on the stock and be done with it.
Wouldn't help when there are diversions off the wires, but it's an idea.
 

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Wouldn't help when there are diversions off the wires, but it's an idea.

Wouldn't help for the diesel routes either unless you had a generator fitted (and if you did there'd be little reason to bother with the pantograph, might as well just generate mains power on diesel all the time).
 

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Since the train needs a locomotive at each end anyway at Euston couldn't they just have a 90 on either end powering half the trains ets requirements each if the 92s problems haven't been resolved in time?
 

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That was my first thought as well, but then it dawned that the ETS load is a lot less north of Edinburgh.

And the trains shorter, so you could probably fit a generator car in, if you really wanted to.
 

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If you needed a generator vehicle to make up the ETS rating North of Edinburgh you would likely leave it with the locomotives and therefore you might get away with one per branch.
Although as has been mentioned, the ETS load on the short rakes on each Highland Section are far less than on the WCML section.
 

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I think along with the new MK5 CAF stock, C/S need a new locomotive that is specially designed to haul the Sleeper at Class 90 speed, with the same ETS rating as a 92, and the reliability of a 68. But will it happen? No. Eventually Serco or GBRf will realise the 92 wasn't built to operate sleeper trains and may have to look into alternatives that doesn't include leasing locomotives off Freightliner as a long term solution.
 
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