Was booked on the Southbound Aberdeen tomorrow as well...never get a lie in but always get the cancellations. Just my luck I guess.
The Virgin isn’t a special, it’s VSTP due to all VT and TPE cancelled Preston-Glasgow both ways, quite a few capped at Carlisle so causing a Jam, so presume they are just getting sets back up to Glasgow etc. To try get things running again ASAP.
1S26, 264L into Glasgow Plat 11 with 86101 at 1142. Full length as 1B26 portion was cancelled.
1M16 now in Carlisle - presumably going to be caped and then move the stock south when they can?
I suspect it's much more to do with the severe weather last night and the fact 5M16 (the 1M16 stock) will not reach Wembley until approximately 6pm this evening. That makes it impossible for it to be serviced/cleaned etc. and turned round for either of the services tonight. Added to that are issues with staff hours - there's a good chance that those working 1M16 were heavily delayed getting to where they should be tonight (presumably London) and also wouldn't have the required rest they must have per the various regulations etc.Cancelling tomorrow nights southbound at this point is a bit of a **** take to be honest. How do they know what the conditions will be like in 36 hours?
I suspect it's much more to do with the severe weather last night and the fact 5M16 (the 1M16 stock) will not reach Wembley until approximately 6pm this evening. That makes it impossible for it to be serviced/cleaned etc. and turned round for either of the services tonight. Added to that are issues with staff hours - there's a good chance that those working 1M16 were heavily delayed getting to where they should be tonight (presumably London) and also wouldn't have the required rest they must have per the various regulations etc.
Consequently, it was really last night's severe weather that's lead to the northbound Highlander cancellation tonight - and as nothing will be going north tonight that unfortunately means there won't be anything coming South tomorrow night either.
As to why the Highlander has been cancelled vs the Lowlander, I expect some of it will be to do with loadings, but also the Highlander will be more susceptible to the bad weather on balance, so makes sense that if one service has to be cancelled then it's the one that has the higher chance of being disrupted.
I also expect that - depending on loadings tonight - they'll try and get passengers who still want to travel via the Sleeper on to the Lowlander and arrange onward transport from Glasgow/Edinburgh (and vice versa tomorrow night).
Not at all ideal for passengers expecting to travel on 1S25 tonight or 1M16 tomorrow night, but with the stock getting to Wembley about 7 hours after it should've done, there isn't really another feasible option.
You'd have to take the train to Polmadie if I understand your suggestion correctly - with it arriving most likely just as the team who clean/service/prep the Lowlander rake that's supposed to be there having just clocked off - and who are resourced to deal with just the one 16-coach rake.So the stock was in Carlisle. They took it all the way to Wembley, so that it could be serviced, but not in enough time to form the northbound service tonight, which means they then have to cancel the southbound the following night. I might be daft, but couldn't they have just taken it ECS north from Carlisle tonight using the booked crews, and therefore only had to cancel one journey not a round-trip? And the sleeping car crews can't count a journey to Wembley in a train fully equipped with beds as being a rest break?
You'd have to take the train to Polmadie if I understand your suggestion correctly - with it arriving most likely just as the team who clean/service/prep the Lowlander rake that's supposed to be there having just clocked off - and who are resourced to deal with just the one 16-coach rake.
You'd then somehow need to find extra people to work several hours to clean/service the ECS (not going to happen at short notice); then sort locos / drivers etc. to run the Load 16 rake out to Edinburgh (bearing in mind the Lowlander is running tonight, so the 5C11 Polmadie-Waverley path/loco/driver is already being used).
You'd then split an empty train up and work it North, possibly to come a cropper in yet more extreme weather conditions and end up with more delays/cancellations/part-rakes out of position etc.
I don't know the ins and out of the staffing so someone else can shed further light on that I expect, however I think they may actually detrain too and take the day trains down to London (or wherever). Either way, I'm fairly sure staying on the train wouldn't count as a rest period - also they couldn't be expected to sleep in used berths and they're may not have been sufficient unused ones for them anyway. One way or another they were in Carlisle an hour or so after they should have finished their (already long) shift in London.
All the staff involved including GB Sleeper Control will have had a very testing time last night - they do repeatedly do their upmost to get the beds from A to B, but sometimes the only sensible/feasible option is to get the stock, locos, staff etc. back to where they should be and start again.
You'd have to take the train to Polmadie if I understand your suggestion correctly - with it arriving most likely just as the team who clean/service/prep the Lowlander rake that's supposed to be there having just clocked off - and who are resourced to deal with just the one 16-coach rake.
You'd then somehow need to find extra people to work several hours to clean/service the ECS (not going to happen at short notice); then sort locos / drivers etc. to run the Load 16 rake out to Edinburgh (bearing in mind the Lowlander is running tonight, so the 5C11 Polmadie-Waverley path/loco/driver is already being used).
You'd then split an empty train up and work it North, possibly to come a cropper in yet more extreme weather conditions and end up with more delays/cancellations/part-rakes out of position etc.
I don't know the ins and out of the staffing so someone else can shed further light on that I expect, however I think they may actually detrain too and take the day trains down to London (or wherever). Either way, I'm fairly sure staying on the train wouldn't count as a rest period - also they couldn't be expected to sleep in used berths and they're may not have been sufficient unused ones for them anyway. One way or another they were in Carlisle an hour or so after they should have finished their (already long) shift in London.
All the staff involved including GB Sleeper Control will have had a very testing time last night - they do repeatedly do their upmost to get the beds from A to B, but sometimes the only sensible/feasible option is to get the stock, locos, staff etc. back to where they should be and start again.
Nice video tim what loco was on the front there.You know 1M16 (aka 5M16) is a bit late when you're trying to film it in the fading light... the following evening!
Nice video tim what loco was on the front there.
Ah ok thanks couldnt quite make it out on the video.92018 I'm sure
I suspect it's much more to do with the severe weather last night and the fact 5M16 (the 1M16 stock) will not reach Wembley until approximately 6pm this evening. That makes it impossible for it to be serviced/cleaned etc. and turned round for either of the services tonight. Added to that are issues with staff hours - there's a good chance that those working 1M16 were heavily delayed getting to where they should be tonight (presumably London) and also wouldn't have the required rest they must have per the various regulations etc.
Consequently, it was really last night's severe weather that's lead to the northbound Highlander cancellation tonight - and as nothing will be going north tonight that unfortunately means there won't be anything coming South tomorrow night either.
As to why the Highlander has been cancelled vs the Lowlander, I expect some of it will be to do with loadings, but also the Highlander will be more susceptible to the bad weather on balance, so makes sense that if one service has to be cancelled then it's the one that has the higher chance of being disrupted.
I also expect that - depending on loadings tonight - they'll try and get passengers who still want to travel via the Sleeper on to the Lowlander and arrange onward transport from Glasgow/Edinburgh (and vice versa tomorrow night).
Not at all ideal for passengers expecting to travel on 1S25 tonight or 1M16 tomorrow night, but with the stock getting to Wembley about 7 hours after it should've done, there isn't really another feasible option.
So the stock was in Carlisle. They took it all the way to Wembley, so that it could be serviced, but not in enough time to form the northbound service tonight, which means they then have to cancel the southbound the following night. I might be daft, but couldn't they have just taken it ECS north from Carlisle tonight using the booked crews, and therefore only had to cancel one journey not a round-trip? And the sleeping car crews can't count a journey to Wembley in a train fully equipped with beds as being a rest break?
Yes, but telling people to naff off and sort themselves out isn't really on.
Think @Bletchleyite is referring to the post above yours...When did I say that like?
Cancelling tomorrow nights southbound at this point is a bit of a **** take to be honest. How do they know what the conditions will be like in 36 hours?
Think @Bletchleyite is referring to the post above yours...
Think @Bletchleyite is referring to the post above yours...
You'd have to take the train to Polmadie if I understand your suggestion correctly - with it arriving most likely just as the team who clean/service/prep the Lowlander rake that's supposed to be there having just clocked off - and who are resourced to deal with just the one 16-coach rake.
You'd then somehow need to find extra people to work several hours to clean/service the ECS (not going to happen at short notice); then sort locos / drivers etc. to run the Load 16 rake out to Edinburgh (bearing in mind the Lowlander is running tonight, so the 5C11 Polmadie-Waverley path/loco/driver is already being used).
You'd then split an empty train up and work it North, possibly to come a cropper in yet more extreme weather conditions and end up with more delays/cancellations/part-rakes out of position etc.
I don't know the ins and out of the staffing so someone else can shed further light on that I expect, however I think they may actually detrain too and take the day trains down to London (or wherever). Either way, I'm fairly sure staying on the train wouldn't count as a rest period - also they couldn't be expected to sleep in used berths and they're may not have been sufficient unused ones for them anyway. One way or another they were in Carlisle an hour or so after they should have finished their (already long) shift in London.
All the staff involved including GB Sleeper Control will have had a very testing time last night - they do repeatedly do their upmost to get the beds from A to B, but sometimes the only sensible/feasible option is to get the stock, locos, staff etc. back to where they should be and start again.