There was one 314 at Yoker Depot when I passed on the train today.Is 314212 still stored at Yoker, or did it return to Shields?
No idea what number it was.
There was one 314 at Yoker Depot when I passed on the train today.Is 314212 still stored at Yoker, or did it return to Shields?
If these units had 1/2 the motors cut-out, the same a one power car being dead, then it would also have a multi-only restriction.
With DC motors, when only half the motors are working on a unit it accelerates at a lower rate and the train balances at a lower top speed (and higher motor current), it means the motors are drawing the higher currents for a longer period, This is within the short term (one hour) rating limits of the motor, but not the continuous rating. If you exceed the continuous rating for more than one hour, even though you're within the one hour rating, you risk overheating the motors and damaging the insulation, and so lead to potential motor failures.
Operating with another good unit means the train is effectively at 3/4 power instead of 1/2 power, and the motor continuous rating CAN accommodate the extra motor current without damage. Hence the 314s can run multi only, and not singly, with 1/2 motors cut out. This was requirement when BR specified these and similar units at that time.
The half-power situation is specified and designed to give enough time for a single unit to run at least one hour in service to complete its run, before being run or towed back to depot. It was included in the BR specification that a good unit should be able to rescue a dead unit (again 1/2 power) and get it to a siding or depot to clear running lines within the one hour period, as were doing repeated starts of a unit on 1/2 power on a specified incline without motor overheating.
Early in my career, I was present at on-line type testing in 1979 of a very similar build (Class 507 units) for both repeated starts on an incline (northbound out of Moorfield onto the original viaduct) and dead unit rescue from Southport to Kirkdate depot. Not done one after the other of course!! Unit 507.012 was used if I recall correctly...…
There was one 314 at Yoker Depot when I passed on the train today.
No idea what number it was.
I’m guessing it was 212 since 303032’s sightings confirm all other units were either in service, at Shields or at Corkerhill. That would seem to suggest that withdrawal has resumed.
I can’t say I’ve ever seen a Scotrail train with graffiti anywhere on it (although I I’ve only recently started travelling on trains), but the last few weeks the 314s seem to be covered in hastily scrubbed off graffiti. A sad epilogue to 40 years of service I thinkI am not surprised about 213 as it appeared to be coated in graffiti when I was up there recently to get 203 so I couldn't see them using 213 in service. 205 was scrubbed free of graffiti but it is still on the roof parts of the unit and it looked a right state.
I can’t say I’ve ever seen a Scotrail train with graffiti anywhere on it (although I I’ve only recently started travelling on trains), but the last few weeks the 314s seem to be covered in hastily scrubbed off graffiti. A sad epilogue to 40 years of service I think
You are lucky. 314203 failed on the 17th and hasn't worked since. Could be game over.I am not surprised about 213 as it appeared to be coated in graffiti when I was up there recently to get 203 so I couldn't see them using 213 in service. 205 was scrubbed free of graffiti but it is still on the roof parts of the unit and it looked a right state.
211 poor performance/traction motors isolated. Replaced by 207.Think another unit may have failed this afternoon. The 1445 Central - Newton was cancelled due to a train failure. This service is usually done by a 314.
Bit of a strange one because despite the 380s returning from bailing out theE&G etc, I haven’t noticed any 314 diagrams switching to 380s. So what are the 380s doing?
Bit of a strange one because despite the 380s returning from bailing out theE&G etc, I haven’t noticed any 314 diagrams switching to 380s. So what are the 380s doing?
380s have been operating on the Neilston line on Sunday for at least the last two weekends. Yet to see them on a weekday, still a mix of 314s for the majority of the time though the withdrawals have meant a lot of services usually run by 6 car 314s are now 3.
380s have been operating on the Neilston line on Sunday for at least the last two weekends. Yet to see them on a weekday, still a mix of 314s for the majority of the time though the withdrawals have meant a lot of services usually run by 6 car 314s are now 3.
The 6 car 314 workings are still booked as six cars unless there's a shortage due to maintenance issues.
IIRC the 1737 Glasgow Central to Neilston is 6 car. Half the set failed 2 evenings ago and it had to depart as a 3 car. Some very squashed looking passengers that night!Can someone please tell me which services are booked for 6 car class 314's?
Thanks.
IIRC the 1737 Glasgow Central to Neilston is 6 car. Half the set failed 2 evenings ago and it had to depart as a 3 car. Some very squashed looking passengers that night!
You are lucky. 314203 failed on the 17th and hasn't worked since. Could be game over.
Can someone please tell me which services are booked for 6 car class 314's?
Thanks.
To my knowledge...
1650 Cathcart Outer Circle
1718 Glasgow Central to Neilston and return (Outward is express to Muirend)
1737 Glasgow Central to Neilston and return
1806 Glasgow Central to Neilston and return
1835 Glasgow Central to Neilston and return
There's a few in the morning as well but not sure of departure times from Central. IIRC there's a Cathcart Inner at 0819 (??) that's a six, along with 0845 Glasgow Central to Newton and return.
Think there's some 6 cars on Friday evenings as well to Neilston, as well as on Sundays. Definitely so this Sunday as the League Cup final is on at Hampden.
I've been in at Glasgow Central on Saturdays a couple of times in the 6 weeks and have seen the 314's on the following workings during mornings / early afternoons
- the 10.55 and 12.55 to Gourock