Class 377/7

[Class377/5]

I saw a 377 yesterday near Gatwick that was scrolling 'Welcome to Class 377' on the side displays and the front. Presumably saying the same inside.

Why would it want to do that? Does the passenger give a stuff? It's just as silly when the 377s change power on FCC and then sit saying 'Electrostar' for a few minutes. People surely want to know where the train is and is going to?!

The messages on the CIS are Bombardier doing.

 

[4-COR 3142]

The messages on the CIS are Bombardier doing.

I'm sure they are but surely this is a classic case if you haven't got something useful to 'say' then say nothing.

If there is a technical reason why the normal calling at.... this train is formed off.... etc. cannot be displayed then leave the screen blank for the few seconds needed.

 

[jopsuk]

having a default message show is a useful diagnostic- it shows that the computer and screens are at least communicating. So it is useful- blank screens may indicate connection problems

 

[Class377/5]

I'm sure they are but surely this is a classic case if you haven't got something useful to 'say' then say nothing.

If there is a technical reason why the normal calling at.... this train is formed off.... etc. cannot be displayed then leave the screen blank for the few seconds needed.

Its a reboot screen. However IIRC the 378s were built so this doesn't happen.

 

[3141]

The messages on the CIS are Bombardier doing.

In the early days of Chiltern's class 168/0s their internil screens sometimes showed ADtranz, though I can't remember whether there was anything else displayed at the time as well.

 

[jon0844]

The messages on the CIS are Bombardier doing.

Should say 'Look! This train still works!'

having a default message show is a useful diagnostic- it shows that the computer and screens are at least communicating. So it is useful- blank screens may indicate connection problems

A single LED on the display would suffice, unless you need a full diagnostic check which could be activated only when required, perhaps when in the depot.

Its a reboot screen. However IIRC the 378s were built so this doesn't happen.

But we must have all seen the video on YouTube that shows the 378 going through every single announcement in a test mode! And the train was running!

 

[Techniquest]

I've not seen that!

Worse than the messages complained about on this page of the thread are nothing that bad, not compared to the rather useless display of "Class 153" on 153366 permanently yesterday. Not at all useful!

 

[Class377/5]

Should say 'Look! This train still works!'

Well it is Bombardier

But we must have all seen the video on YouTube that shows the 378 going through every single announcement in a test mode! And the train was running!

I'm not sure I have actual!

 

[jon0844]

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9COwWu69k

Lucky it wasn't doing that on an Intercity train you were going to be on for hours!

 

[Class377/5]

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9COwWu69k

Lucky it wasn't doing that on an Intercity train you were going to be on for hours!

Oops!

 

[Geeves]

Dont forget when Vera became obsessed with toilets on the 185!

http://youtu.be/j6WTiDr8yI4

 

[fgwrich]

In the early days of Chiltern's class 168/0s their internil screens sometimes showed ADtranz, though I can't remember whether there was anything else displayed at the time as well.

I remember that - SWTs used to often just read that as well.

I think one of the most bizarre I saw was a Southern 377 on the Watford to Clapham service at the change over point read Class 171 Turbostar! Must be a generic PA on the Southern units!

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9COwWu69k

Lucky it wasn't doing that on an Intercity train you were going to be on for hours!

That's long, and rather painful!

There was / is a video on Youtube of one the ScotRail 170s attempting to go through every station on the ScotRail network in alphabetical order, surprisingly including the Borders Railway stations in it too! Despite being a few years old.

Dont forget when Vera became obsessed with toilets on the 185!

http://youtu.be/j6WTiDr8yI4

One of the bits i like from that is "For Your Safety, Please Keep The Toilets Free from Luggage and other obstructions. The Toilets and Space Between Seat Backs Are Provided Tor The Stowage of Large Or Heavy Items. Smaller Items of Luggage May Be Placed In The Toilets". Make your mind up love!

 

[jon0844]

I assume that toilets one was faked, but the LO one is very much real.

And 365s will say "BRB Class 465" when booted up, but fortunately that doesn't seem to happen very often. In over ten years, I've only been on a few that have had to be turned off and on when we've stopped somewhere. It's always nice to see that this method works to fix trains (before resorting to the second stage of hitting things with a hammer).

 

[Southern Dvr]

The information system on the 377/6 & 377/7 is (from a drivers perspective) some of the worst kit out there! It just keeps randomly not working. You can get most of the way through a journey and then it just decides to stop doing anything.

There is also a constantly reoccurring issue with the doors too. I have to be honest, I really do not like driving the things.

 

[talldave]

I find them nice trains to ride on, and as long as you're not reliant on the information system it's quite amusing to listen to. The train I was on the other day was apparently splitting somewhere down the line: we got told where coaches 1-4 were going and where coaches 5-8 were going, but people in coaches 9-12 were left wondering!!

 

[MCR247]

5-8 and 9-12 would have been going nowhere if it was a /6 or /7 as there would've been no cab to drive them anywhere!

 

[TEW]

I find them nice trains to ride on, and as long as you're not reliant on the information system it's quite amusing to listen to. The train I was on the other day was apparently splitting somewhere down the line: we got told where coaches 1-4 were going and where coaches 5-8 were going, but people in coaches 9-12 were left wondering!!

The CIS for the Caterham & Tattenham Corner dividing trains in the peaks does not appear to have been updated to take account of the fact that many services are now formed of 10-carriages. Even with a 10-car set the CIS still announces coaches 1-4 as for Caterham and 5-8 as for Tattenham Corner.

 

[Class377/5]

I've noticed as well that Southern have yet to take advantage of the two lines of text available on the 377/6 & /7 and instead scroll text. For example London Victoria on the weekend trips could be accommodated on the two lines but always uses the upper line and leaves the bottom free.

 

[physics34]

Notice how alot of 455 and 377/1-4 front displays are displaying incorrectly aswell lately. SOuthern are not the brightest when it comes to those displays, London Victoria showing as "don victo"

 

[samuelmorris]

First ride on a 377/7 today

I have to say, it looked a lot grubbier than I expected, not just on the outside, but on the inside too - the windowsill was covered in dirt at my seat - and it didn't look like a one-off stain or vandalism either, it was just... you know, dirty. To be honest, I expected better really - the carpets were clean and you could tell from the panelling it was a new train, but still, how long have they been in service?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

First ride on a 377/7 today

I have to say, it looked a lot grubbier than I expected, not just on the outside, but on the inside too - the windowsill was covered in dirt at my seat - and it didn't look like a one-off stain or vandalism either, it was just... you know, dirty. To be honest, I expected better really - the carpets were clean and you could tell from the panelling it was a new train, but still, how long have they been in service?

They see quite intense use, often working early morning peak before doing MKC diagrams, or all-day Southern diagrams and may not get back to a depot often enough for heavy cleaning

 

[GatwickDepress]

Notice how alot of 455 and 377/1-4 front displays are displaying incorrectly aswell lately. SOuthern are not the brightest when it comes to those displays, London Victoria showing as "don victo"

Surely that just shows Govia are paying their respects to the mob.

 

[southern442]

I find them nice trains to ride on, and as long as you're not reliant on the information system it's quite amusing to listen to. The train I was on the other day was apparently splitting somewhere down the line: we got told where coaches 1-4 were going and where coaches 5-8 were going, but people in coaches 9-12 were left wondering!!

I have seen a few trains in that situation, most notably one where coaches 1-4 where supposed to be going to Littlehampton and 5-8 Eastborne, when in fact 1-8 were Littlehampton and 9-12 Eastborne!

 

[physics34]

Surely that just shows Govia are paying their respects to the mob.

London Bridge is "NDON BRID"

 

[talldave]

I have seen a few trains in that situation, most notably one where coaches 1-4 where supposed to be going to Littlehampton and 5-8 Eastborne, when in fact 1-8 were Littlehampton and 9-12 Eastborne!

I think mine was one of those. No information would almost be better than the incorrect information in those circumstances surely. My apologies for not realising it wouldn't have been a /6 or /7 though! !

 

[Deepgreen]

377704 formed the 0831 from Redhill to Victoria this morning (originating from Horsham). There were no first class window stickers anywhere on the train (this train is advertised as carrying first and standard class). Are the 377/7s being declassified permanently? If so they shouldn't be used on the Horsham run vice 377/6s and earlier sub-classes.

 

[Fincra5]

Someone keeps messing with the PIS onboard.. always mucks something up, this time its when you have a short platform, it announces which coaches you can alight from.. but not what the station...

At least its less intrusive now than recent!

 

[southern442]

Someone keeps messing with the PIS onboard.. always mucks something up, this time its when you have a short platform, it announces which coaches you can alight from.. but not what the station...

At least its less intrusive now than recent!

It's because they've changed it.

After the first change, after the /6's were introduced, it said, 'Welcome aboard blah blah' as normal, then "This train is..... The next station.... Would customers...." There would also be a similar approching announcement. Now, they've added the next station announcement on the end of the first one, so the short platform notice is no longer played at the end. They have to add this later, but it doesn't include station details. Why did they even bother changing the original thing to begin with? No one really gives a monkeys about announcements anyway, unless its to do with short platforms, which have now been made more confusing.

 

[westcoaster]

The pis is across all fleets of 377 as the /5's do it as well destination of edford or righton, or vie elep.
Think it happened after a software upgrade.

 

[physics34]

Someone keeps messing with the PIS onboard.. always mucks something up, this time its when you have a short platform, it announces which coaches you can alight from.. but not what the station...

At least its less intrusive now than recent!

The PIS on the 6s and 7s is massively unreliable