Class 387 to GN

[jopsuk]

When will there be enough 387s in service to switch everything around yet again and put them on Cambridge fast services? Have they been cleared up to Kings Lynn yet?

 

[387star]

Presumably the first class seats on the wessies won't fit in the 387s although the 379s have proper first class seats

 

[Class 170101]

Have they been cleared up to Kings Lynn yet?

I don't think they have been yet. However I doubt its difficult. Class 379s go there daily.

 

[Hadders]

Presumably the first class seats on the wessies won't fit in the 387s although the 379s have proper first class seats

Even the standard class ones would be better than the ironing boards that are currently in 1st...

 

[SprinterMan]

Naughty 387109 sat down at Shepreth tonight at 2315 on 2C48, unwilling to release it's brakes. It has only just moved now with another 387 attached to it. It has caused some delays.....
2C48 2204 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
1C24 2244 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
2C52 2304 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
1T26 2314 London Kings Cross to Kings Lynn
2C56 0004 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
1C86 0014 London Kings Cross to Cambridge

 

[dk1]

Naughty 387109 sat down at Shepreth tonight at 2315 on 2C48, unwilling to release it's brakes. It has only just moved now with another 387 attached to it. It has caused some delays.....
2C48 2204 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
1C24 2244 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
2C52 2304 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
1T26 2314 London Kings Cross to Kings Lynn
2C56 0004 London Kings Cross to Cambridge
1C86 0014 London Kings Cross to Cambridge

The GA drivers at Cambridge have been extracting the urine out of their GN counterparts on social media overnight. Apparently the rescue train also got into difficulties. Sounds like a fun evening was had by all

 

[Failed Unit]

When will there be enough 387s in service to switch everything around yet again and put them on Cambridge fast services? Have they been cleared up to Kings Lynn yet?

I think it is May, understand this is more down to driver training than route clearance. I am sure one of the drivers will correct me here if wrong.

 

[Ianno87]

Apparently, 387108/129 made it to King's Lynn last night on a test/training run from Cambridge (3T90/3T91):

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N19765/2017/01/14/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N19766/2017/01/14/advanced

 

[SprinterMan]

The GA drivers at Cambridge have been extracting the urine out of their GN counterparts on social media overnight. Apparently the rescue train also got into difficulties. Sounds like a fun evening was had by all

Correct, the rescue train dropped its pantograph just out of Cambridge and took a fair amount of convincing to put it up again :-P

 

[Class315]

Correct, the rescue train dropped its pantograph just out of Cambridge and took a fair amount of convincing to put it up again :-P

Yep, ADD activation after passing the neutrals at Shepreth Junction. Not a good look for us last night.

 

[bramling]

Do you have any exact diagrams for Feburary?

(Triple)
Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P49 0733 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1P66 1743 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Hornsey Depot - Welwyn Garden City
2Y83 0703 Welwyn Garden City - KX
Empty KX - Letchworth
2R35 0835 Letchworth - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
2V90 1758 KX - Welwyn Garden City
Empty Welwyn Garden City - Hornsey Depot

(Pair)
Empty Letchworth Carriage Sidings - Royston
1R45 0712 Royston - KX
Empty to Welwyn Garden City
2Y87 0844 Welwyn Garden City - KX
1C48 0952 KX - Cambridge
1C59 1130 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
1P64 1713 KX - Peterborough
2P63 1916 Peterborough - KX
1P80 2122 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
1C43 0615 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Royston
1R51 0834 Royston - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1C96 1823 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
2C29 0627 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
2R30 1752 KX - Royston
Empty Royston - Letchworth Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
2C91 0657 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1P62 1650 KX - Peterborough
2P61 1821 Peterborough - KX
1P78 2022 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
2C93 0727 Cambridge - KX (Divides at KX)
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1C60 1552 KX - Cambridge
1C69 1717 Cambridge - KX
1P18 1837 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborougn Nene Carriage Sidings
Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P83 2146 Peterborough - KX
1P84 2322 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

(The remaining diagrams are single although may work as part of pairs or triples for one or more journeys).

Empty Hornsey Depot - Letchworth
2R00 0613 Letchworth - KX
2C04 0704 KX - Cambridge
2C39 0855 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
2C26 1653 KX - Cambridge
2C59 1855 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
2P21 0410 Peterborough - KX
2C02 0604 KX - Cambridge
1C49 0755 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings (Attaches at Welwyn Carriage Sidings)
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
2C28 1722 KX - Royston (Detaches at Royston)
Empty Royston - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays only this diagram continues as follows:
(Joins at Cambridge Carriage Sidings)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
1C27 2145 Cambridge - KX (Divides at KX)
1C82 2252 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Carriage Sidings (Attaches at Cambridge Carriage Sidings)

Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P41 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Royston
1R47 0732 Royston - KX
2P06 0834 KX - Peterborough
2P45 1016 Peterborough - KX (Divides at KX)
2C14 1204 KX - Cambridge
1C53 1356 Cambridge - KX
2P20 1534 KX - Peterborough
2P59 1721 Peterborough - KX
2C36 1918 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays only this diagram continues as follows:
(Joins at Cambridge) and does not run to Cambridge Carriage Sidings
1C25 2115 Cambridge - KX (Divides at KX)
1P36 2301 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P41 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Royston
1R47 0732 Royston - KX
2P06 0834 KX - Peterborough
2P45 1016 Peterborough - KX (Divides at KX)
1C22 1214 KX - Cambridge
1C63 1330 Cambridge - KX
2C20 1504 KX - Cambridge
2C59 1655 Cambridge - KX (Joins at KX)
2C34 1822 KX - Cambridge (Divides at Welwyn Garden City)
Empty Welwyn Garden City - KX
2P42 2034 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborogh
1P01 0540 Peterborough - KX
1C42 0652 KX - Cambridge
2C37 0825 Cambridge - KX
2C10 1004 KX - Cambridge
2C49 1155 Cambridge - KX
2P16 1334 KX - Peterborough
2P55 1516 Peterborough - KX
2V86 1659 KX - Welwyn Garden City
Empty Welwyn Garden City - KX (Joins at KX)
2C32 1822 KX - Cambridge (Divides at Royston)
1C21 2015 Cambridge - KX
2C48 2204 KX - Cambridge (Joins at Cambridge)
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings)

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P03 0615 Peterborough - KX (part of triple) (divides at KX)
2P04 0734 KX - Peterborough
1P55 0930 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings (Joins at Welwyn Carriage Sidings)
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
2C28 1722 KX - Cambridge (Divides Royston)
Empty Royston - KX
2C38 2004 KX - Cambridge
1C27 2145 Cambridge - KX
2C52 2304 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays instead the last part of this diagram does:
2R54 2334 KX - Letchworth
Empty Letchworth - Letchworth Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P03 0615 Peterborough - KX (part of triple) (divides at KX)
Empty KX - Welwyn Garden City
2Y85 0813 Welwyn Garden City - KX (Divides at KX)
2C08 0904 KX - Cambridge
2C47 1055 Cambridge - KX
2P14 1234 KX - Peterborough
2P53 1416 Peterborough - KX
1R38 1617 KX - Royston
1R55 1712 Royston - KX (Joins at KX)
2C32 1822 KX - Cambridge (Divides at Royston)
Empty Royston - KX
2C44 2104 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P03 0615 Peterborough - KX (part of triple) (divides at KX)
Empty KX - Welwyn Garden City
2Y85 0813 Welwyn Garden City - KX (Divides at KX)
2P08 0934 KX - Peterborough
2P47 1116 Peterborough - KX
2C18 1404 KX - Cambridge
2C57 1555 Cambridge - KX
2V88 1728 KX - Welwyn Garden City
Empty Welwyn Garden City - KX (Joins KX)
2C34 1852 KX - Cambridge (Divides Welwyn Garden City)
1C25 2115 Cambridge - KX
1c82 2252 KX - Cambridge (Joins Cambridge)
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays this diagram works the following instead:
1T24 2244 KX - Ely
Empty Ely - Cambridge Carriage Sidings

No liability accepted if things change between now and Feb!

 

[Class 170101]

The GA drivers at Cambridge have been extracting the urine out of their GN counterparts on social media overnight. Apparently the rescue train also got into difficulties. Sounds like a fun evening was had by all

New trains due at AGA soon. What comes around goes around and all that.

 

[dk1]

New trains due at AGA soon. What comes around goes around and all that.

It's all good fun. Thankfully my Norwich-Stansted units will have a get out of jail option when it comes to AC issues.

 

[AS43]

New trains due at AGA soon. What comes around goes around and all that.

True, we can but hope that the new GA fleet settles down as quickly as the 379s did. Sure, they had teething problems at the start (and still do occasionally, especially with SDO at certain stations) but the 387s seem much more fragile. Did they have this level of reliability when they were at Thameslink?!

Also (going OT, apologies), dk1, Cambridge drivers are hoping this new work gets shared out so we too get a taste of being immune from knitting problems

 

[D365]

... but the 387s seem much more fragile. Did they have this level of reliability when they were at Thameslink?!

This is the first time I've heard of any kind of technical incident on the Great Northern.

 

[dk1]

dk1, Cambridge drivers are hoping this new work gets shared out so we too get a taste of being immune from knitting problems

I did wonder that but not sure whether they will bother traction training Cambridge on the bi-modes just for this as the extra fast Liverpool Streets will account for more West Anglia work.

 

[sk688]

On a side note, when did the 387s begin doing Welwyn Inner Suburban, from KGX? I don't use GN too much, so I don't know if this is a one off, but the 1653 to WGC, calling all stops was a 4 car 387. Is it usually this, or was it short formation?

 

[Class 170101]

I did wonder that but not sure whether they will bother traction training Cambridge on the bi-modes just for this as the extra fast Liverpool Streets will account for more West Anglia work.

Would be a more efficient use of train crew if they did.

No more sleeping at Cambridge
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

It's all good fun. Thankfully my Norwich-Stansted units will have a get out of jail option when it comes to AC issues.

Check the fuel gauge first

 

[XCTurbostar]

Does anyone have the total number of 387s now in use with Great Northern?

Thanks,
Ross

 

[D365]

Does anyone have the total number of 387s now in use with Great Northern?

According to wikipedia it's 20, as I posted here.

 

[Failed Unit]

On a side note, when did the 387s begin doing Welwyn Inner Suburban, from KGX? I don't use GN too much, so I don't know if this is a one off, but the 1653 to WGC, calling all stops was a 4 car 387. Is it usually this, or was it short formation?

Both the 1653. (London, Hatfield Welwyn garden city and onwards to Cambridge) and 1658 (London, Finsbury Park, new Southgate, oakleigh park, new Barnet, potters bar. Hatfield and wgc.) are diagrammed as 4 car 387s since December.

 

[class387]

(Triple)
Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P49 0733 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1P66 1743 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Hornsey Depot - Welwyn Garden City
2Y83 0703 Welwyn Garden City - KX
Empty KX - Letchworth
2R35 0835 Letchworth - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
2V90 1758 KX - Welwyn Garden City
Empty Welwyn Garden City - Hornsey Depot

(Pair)
Empty Letchworth Carriage Sidings - Royston
1R45 0712 Royston - KX
Empty to Welwyn Garden City
2Y87 0844 Welwyn Garden City - KX
1C48 0952 KX - Cambridge
1C59 1130 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
1P64 1713 KX - Peterborough
2P63 1916 Peterborough - KX
1P80 2122 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
1C43 0615 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Royston
1R51 0834 Royston - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1C96 1823 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
2C29 0627 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
2R30 1752 KX - Royston
Empty Royston - Letchworth Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
2C91 0657 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1P62 1650 KX - Peterborough
2P61 1821 Peterborough - KX
1P78 2022 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

(Pair)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
2C93 0727 Cambridge - KX (Divides at KX)
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
1C60 1552 KX - Cambridge
1C69 1717 Cambridge - KX
1P18 1837 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborougn Nene Carriage Sidings
Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P83 2146 Peterborough - KX
1P84 2322 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

(The remaining diagrams are single although may work as part of pairs or triples for one or more journeys).

Empty Hornsey Depot - Letchworth
2R00 0613 Letchworth - KX
2C04 0704 KX - Cambridge
2C39 0855 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot
Empty Hornsey Depot - KX
2C26 1653 KX - Cambridge
2C59 1855 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Hornsey Depot

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
2P21 0410 Peterborough - KX
2C02 0604 KX - Cambridge
1C49 0755 Cambridge - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings (Attaches at Welwyn Carriage Sidings)
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
2C28 1722 KX - Royston (Detaches at Royston)
Empty Royston - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays only this diagram continues as follows:
(Joins at Cambridge Carriage Sidings)
Empty Cambridge Carriage Sidings - Cambridge
1C27 2145 Cambridge - KX (Divides at KX)
1C82 2252 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Carriage Sidings (Attaches at Cambridge Carriage Sidings)

Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P41 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Royston
1R47 0732 Royston - KX
2P06 0834 KX - Peterborough
2P45 1016 Peterborough - KX (Divides at KX)
2C14 1204 KX - Cambridge
1C53 1356 Cambridge - KX
2P20 1534 KX - Peterborough
2P59 1721 Peterborough - KX
2C36 1918 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays only this diagram continues as follows:
(Joins at Cambridge) and does not run to Cambridge Carriage Sidings
1C25 2115 Cambridge - KX (Divides at KX)
1P36 2301 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P41 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Royston
1R47 0732 Royston - KX
2P06 0834 KX - Peterborough
2P45 1016 Peterborough - KX (Divides at KX)
1C22 1214 KX - Cambridge
1C63 1330 Cambridge - KX
2C20 1504 KX - Cambridge
2C59 1655 Cambridge - KX (Joins at KX)
2C34 1822 KX - Cambridge (Divides at Welwyn Garden City)
Empty Welwyn Garden City - KX
2P42 2034 KX - Peterborough
Empty Peterborough - Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings - Peterborogh
1P01 0540 Peterborough - KX
1C42 0652 KX - Cambridge
2C37 0825 Cambridge - KX
2C10 1004 KX - Cambridge
2C49 1155 Cambridge - KX
2P16 1334 KX - Peterborough
2P55 1516 Peterborough - KX
2V86 1659 KX - Welwyn Garden City
Empty Welwyn Garden City - KX (Joins at KX)
2C32 1822 KX - Cambridge (Divides at Royston)
1C21 2015 Cambridge - KX
2C48 2204 KX - Cambridge (Joins at Cambridge)
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings)

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P03 0615 Peterborough - KX (part of triple) (divides at KX)
2P04 0734 KX - Peterborough
1P55 0930 Peterborough - KX
Empty KX - Welwyn Carriage Sidings (Joins at Welwyn Carriage Sidings)
Empty Welwyn Carriage Sidings - KX
2C28 1722 KX - Cambridge (Divides Royston)
Empty Royston - KX
2C38 2004 KX - Cambridge
1C27 2145 Cambridge - KX
2C52 2304 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays instead the last part of this diagram does:
2R54 2334 KX - Letchworth
Empty Letchworth - Letchworth Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P03 0615 Peterborough - KX (part of triple) (divides at KX)
Empty KX - Welwyn Garden City
2Y85 0813 Welwyn Garden City - KX (Divides at KX)
2C08 0904 KX - Cambridge
2C47 1055 Cambridge - KX
2P14 1234 KX - Peterborough
2P53 1416 Peterborough - KX
1R38 1617 KX - Royston
1R55 1712 Royston - KX (Joins at KX)
2C32 1822 KX - Cambridge (Divides at Royston)
Empty Royston - KX
2C44 2104 KX - Cambridge
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings

Empty Peterborough Carriage Sidings - Peterborough
1P03 0615 Peterborough - KX (part of triple) (divides at KX)
Empty KX - Welwyn Garden City
2Y85 0813 Welwyn Garden City - KX (Divides at KX)
2P08 0934 KX - Peterborough
2P47 1116 Peterborough - KX
2C18 1404 KX - Cambridge
2C57 1555 Cambridge - KX
2V88 1728 KX - Welwyn Garden City
Empty Welwyn Garden City - KX (Joins KX)
2C34 1852 KX - Cambridge (Divides Welwyn Garden City)
1C25 2115 Cambridge - KX
1c82 2252 KX - Cambridge (Joins Cambridge)
Empty Cambridge - Cambridge Carriage Sidings
On Fridays this diagram works the following instead:
1T24 2244 KX - Ely
Empty Ely - Cambridge Carriage Sidings

No liability accepted if things change between now and Feb!

Thank you. Good to see that my trains are still 365s.

 

[D365]

Thank you. Good to see that my trains are still 365s.

Despite your user handle?

 

[class387]

Despite your user handle?

Yes. There aren't any 365s on Thameslink if I remember correctly.

 

[notverydeep]

Well, the inevitable has happened on 2C93. RPI assigned to babysit the Fansia Ironing boards in the rear first class.Working on the railway, I've always tried to be sympathetic to GTR, but this treatment of customers just makes me embarrassed to admit to working in the same industry.

 

[Failed Unit]

2C91 (0657 Cambridge- London) going soon. Let's hope people are not left behind as a result.

 

[jon0844]

Well, the inevitable has happened on 2C93. RPI assigned to babysit the Fansia Ironing boards in the rear first class.Working on the railway, I've always tried to be sympathetic to GTR, but this treatment of customers just makes me embarrassed to admit to working in the same industry.

I hope RPIs are told to show discretion given the doors are marked wrong and they haven't got big '1' signs inside or on the interconnecting doors.

The purple signs could be general notices, that people can't necessarily even easily see (small text) and to rely on seeing first class on the seat head is - to me - insufficient.

All GTR needs to do is make it as clear as rain, then enforce as necessary. But now it seems almost like entrapment.

 

[Failed Unit]

I hope RPIs are told to show discretion given the doors are marked wrong and they haven't got big '1' signs inside or on the interconnecting doors.

The purple signs could be general notices, that people can't necessarily even easily see (small text) and to rely on seeing first class on the seat head is - to me - insufficient.

All GTR needs to do is make it as clear as rain, then enforce as necessary. But now it seems almost like entrapment.

Yep. On the 0825 ex WGC this morning. First class was rear of 1st set and front of 2nd. Passengers go on and sat down as if it was declassified. But a set turning up like that is probably the worse for passengers.

 

[bramling]

If

Well, the inevitable has happened on 2C93. RPI assigned to babysit the Fansia Ironing boards in the rear first class.Working on the railway, I've always tried to be sympathetic to GTR, but this treatment of customers just makes me embarrassed to admit to working in the same industry.

Presume that means there have been complaints then. Just shows up GTR 's total stupidity in putting it where it is. So much for a more 'peaceful' journey there!

 

[jon0844]

Given the poor signage, you could just walk into first class, remove all the antimacassars and put them on random seats throughout the train! I bet that would confuse people.