Class 387

[Deepgreen]

Oops!

Been no booked (weekday) non 700 12 services on Thameslink since the late summer IIRC.

Sorry - now I'm thoroughly confused - are you saying that 387/1s (or just 387124) will be used on some Thameslink runs, or just Gatwick Express? I had thought that 387124 was specifically loaned to GX.

 

[Class377/5]

Sorry - now I'm thoroughly confused - are you saying that 387/1s (or just 387124) will be used on some Thameslink runs, or just Gatwick Express? I had thought that 387124 was specifically loaned to GX.

387124 has been loaned to GatEx services for a short period. All other 387/1 are going divert to GN.

Thameslink hasn't run any planned* 12 car 387s for months

* Due to driver shortages, a coupe have run to keep some services running

What I meant was that there were conversations happening yesterday to get 387/1s to cover the remaining 442 work until May when they are needed on GN, allowing the 442s off lease and giving the 387/1s something to do before the full 387 fleet is needed for the May timetable change.

The 387/1 were never for 442 covering work. That was always going to be done by 377s pool increasing by the Thameslink units returning to the Southern pool.

Not quite sure where your conversions over 387/1 covering 442 got their info as the plan for the 442 replacement is set. And that's without even discussing the fact the drivers who do the 442 services won't all be 387 trained so you cannot swap out 442s for 387s!

The full 387/1 fleet is needed on GN at the diagrams are not far off what they have once you add in multiple units for driver training. There isn't enough 387s spare to cover a single 442 10 car working.

 

[fredk]

Will they be replaced so soon? They are only less than seven years old - surely they have a long life left yet?

Edit - discovered this on Wikipedia :

"By 2019, the Class 379s will be replaced by a brand new fleet of Stadler FLIRT EMUs which will be fixed 12-car trains".

So, another question - what happens to them after 2019? Manchester Airport?

Perhaps they will replace the remaining class 315s and 317s?

 

[sjoh]

Perhaps they will replace the remaining class 315s and 317s?

Which remaining 315s/317s would these be? They'll be gone too...

In fact, by 2021, Liverpool Street station will be served entirely by brand new trains, I believe. Class 710, Class 345, and the new FLIRTS and Aventras.

 

[Class455]

Just seen 387 144 and a companion passing through Clapham Junction while I was heading to Platform 13.

 

[Kite159]

Which remaining 315s/317s would these be? They'll be gone too...

In fact, by 2021, Liverpool Street station will be served entirely by brand new trains, I believe. Class 710, Class 345, and the new FLIRTS and Aventras.

Not entirely, unless the weekend C2C services cease to operate

 

[superalbs]

Not entirely, unless the weekend C2C services cease to operate

They could be ran by the new c2c stock, due in 2019!

 

[reddragon]

The 387s are moving around Reading depot, one place in the morning, elsewhere in the evening, so obviously driver training has started.

When are they likely to escape to Didcot?.

 

[sjoh]

Not entirely, unless the weekend C2C services cease to operate

you got me!

 

[leomartin125]

The 387s are moving around Reading depot, one place in the morning, elsewhere in the evening, so obviously driver training has started.

When are they likely to escape to Didcot?.

When the wires are sorted, as IEP electric testing has been halted since Autumn 2016 due to electricity supply issues. Hopefully in the next few months.

 

[FGW_DID]

When the wires are sorted, as IEP electric testing has been halted since Autumn 2016 due to electricity supply issues. Hopefully in the next few months.

Electricity Supply issues??
As far as I know there is no issues with the supply of electricity. The only time we haven't had any power, apart from the very regular pre-planned isolations, is when there was a large communications failure with Didcot Electrical Control Room and the OLE control system which resulted in the whole section from Milton - Reading being de-energised as a precaution.

There was an IET test run on Thursday night, 'on the juice'. It was canned after one run to Didcot and back, partly due to multiple axle-counter failures at Pangbourne.

 

[Class377/5]

Electricity Supply issues??
As far as I know there is no issues with the supply of electricity. The only time we haven't had any power, apart from the very regular pre-planned isolations, is when there was a large communications failure with Didcot Electrical Control Room and the OLE control system which resulted in the whole section from Milton - Reading being de-energised as a precaution.

There was an IET test run on Thursday night, 'on the juice'. It was canned after one run to Didcot and back, partly due to multiple axle-counter failures at Pangbourne.

From what I've heard the IEP has been putting out some electronic interference which affects the OHLE power supply.

 

[leomartin125]

Electricity Supply issues??
As far as I know there is no issues with the supply of electricity. The only time we haven't had any power, apart from the very regular pre-planned isolations, is when there was a large communications failure with Didcot Electrical Control Room and the OLE control system which resulted in the whole section from Milton - Reading being de-energised as a precaution.

There was an IET test run on Thursday night, 'on the juice'. It was canned after one run to Didcot and back, partly due to multiple axle-counter failures at Pangbourne.

Well why else has testing been so sparse? Not a single 387 has touched that route yet, and the IEP's keep causing issues, and that's when they do run on the juice. A lot of speculation as to why that test route isn't functioning 100% and I'm not about to speculate.

On another note, I've just noticed that West Ealing EMU Sidings are now in use, don't know how long they have been but I gather that most, if not all, of the 387's are there now. Here is today's ECS move:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C27744/2017/01/30/advanced

 

[spark001uk]

...I've just noticed that West Ealing EMU Sidings are now in use, don't know how long they have been...

I passed there a few times the end of last week and it was empty, and in diagram it seemed some work was being done at the weekend, so I guess today?

 

[FGW_DID]

Well why else has testing been so sparse? Not a single 387 has touched that route yet, and the IEP's keep causing issues, and that's when they do run on the juice. A lot of speculation as to why that test route isn't functioning 100% and I'm not about to speculate.

On another note, I've just noticed that West Ealing EMU Sidings are now in use, don't know how long they have been but I gather that most, if not all, of the 387's are there now. Here is today's ECS move:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C27744/2017/01/30/advanced

I passed there a few times the end of last week and it was empty, and in diagram it seemed some work was being done at the weekend, so I guess today?

Is it the test route not functioning or is the trains being tested not functioning 100%? Again it's all speculation, all I know is, as I said above, we always have power apart from when it's off due to pre-planned isolations.(Of which there are quite a lot!!!!)

As for West Ealing Sidings (or to give it its posh name West Ealing Light Maintenance Depot ) the first units went in there last Thu night / Friday Morning.

The 387s will be out at some stage!! (Edit: There are now STP paths in for several trips in the early hours of Sunday 5th Feb Reading TCD - Didcot - Reading TCD

Talking of 387s there is a delivery of 1 unit to Reading TCD planned for Friday 3rd Feb and another unit on Monday 6th Feb.

Fri: 7X35 09:30 Bletchley TMD - Reading TCD 12:56

Presume it will be 387142 / 143.

 

[Class377/5]

Is it the test route not functioning or is the trains being tested not functioning 100%? Again it's all speculation, all I know is, as I said above, we always have power apart from when it's off due to pre-planned isolations.(Of which there are quite a lot!!!!)

As for West Ealing Sidings (or to give it its posh name West Ealing Light Maintenance Depot ) the first units went in there last Thu night / Friday Morning.

The 387s will be out at some stage!! (Edit: There are now STP paths in for several trips in the early hours of Sunday 5th Feb Reading TCD - Didcot - Reading TCD

Talking of 387s there is a delivery of 1 unit to Reading TCD planned for Friday 3rd Feb and another unit on Monday 6th Feb.

Fri: 7X35 09:30 Bletchley TMD - Reading TCD 12:56

Presume it will be 387142 / 143.

387142 is the unit reported at Ilford

Here's the path it moved on

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P91377/2017/01/23/advanced

387141/143 have been running around as a pair.

 

[spark001uk]

...As for West Ealing Sidings (or to give it its posh name West Ealing Light Maintenance Depot ) the first units went in there last Thu night / Friday Morning...

Looks like there's a unit moving right now from North Pole to W.Ealing sdgs, 5Z71. Just arriving as we speak.

 

[Trailfinder]

With that movement North Pole to West Ealing, reversing at Royal Oak sidings, means that Royal Oak sidings have now been electrified - when did that happen?

 

[MCR247]

Aren't they dragged from North Pole by 57s?

 

[Nippy]

Royal Oak isn't electrified, and that won't have gone there as the Line Code shows Line 4 at Ladbroke Grove. No need for them to be hauled from North Pole to West Ealing

 

[FGW_DID]

Aren't they dragged from North Pole by 57s?

The planned 57 drags are for between West Ealing & Reading TCD when swapping over sets for exam work.

 

[MCR247]

Ah my mistake

 

[Class377/5]

Final 387 workings on Thameslink will be this weekend doing the following...

Saturday 4th February

301/302
5G05 03+59 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W05 04.12 Bedford to Brighton
2W18 07.34 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 10.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W36 13.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W53 16.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 18.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+24 Brighton to Lovers Walk

303/304
5W02 00+50 Lovers Walk to Brighton
1W02 05.33 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W48 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5G55 19+14 Bedford to Bedford CS

Sunday 5th February

301/302
5W06 05+05 Lovers Walk to Brighton
2W06 05.36 Brighton to Blackfriars
5A15 07+03 Blackfriars to West Hampstead
2W15 07.32 West Hampstead to Brighton
1W12 09.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W35 12.55 Bedford to Brighton
1W38 16.14 Brighton to Bedford
1W61 19.25 Bedford to Brighton
2W76 22.44 Brighton to Bedford
5G76 01+46 Bedford to Bedford CS

 

[MatthewRead]

Final 387 workings on Thameslink will be this weekend doing the following...

Saturday 4th February

301/302
5G05 03+59 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W05 04.12 Bedford to Brighton
2W18 07.34 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 10.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W36 13.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W53 16.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 18.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+24 Brighton to Lovers Walk

303/304
5W02 00+50 Lovers Walk to Brighton
1W02 05.33 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W48 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5G55 19+14 Bedford to Bedford CS

Sunday 5th February

301/302
5W06 05+05 Lovers Walk to Brighton
2W06 05.36 Brighton to Blackfriars
5A15 07+03 Blackfriars to West Hampstead
2W15 07.32 West Hampstead to Brighton
1W12 09.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W35 12.55 Bedford to Brighton
1W38 16.14 Brighton to Bedford
1W61 19.25 Bedford to Brighton
2W76 22.44 Brighton to Bedford
5G76 01+46 Bedford to Bedford CS

Hold on I thought the 387/3's were C2C not Thameslink don't you mean 101/102 and 103/104

 

[Keith Jarrett]

That'll be diagram numbers, not unit numbers

 

[387star]

Who recorded the announcements on the gwr 387? I see they are different to the gtr units although deploy the usuao speaker when announcing the coach number

I thino they use the same vouce as is on the turbos? Quite funny sounding... At times sounds like they are being sarcastic

 

[Peter Sarf]

So where have all the Thameslink 387/1s gone to ?. I know they will end up on Great Northern on non Thameslink services. I was not aware that they had already started working on GN. Plus, if they have, where are they hiding (or going to hide) the 317s, 321s and 365s ?.

EDIT :- Der, I just found this thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133407 , now to find time to read !.

 

[jon0844]

So where have all the Thameslink 387/1s gone to ?. I know they will end up on Great Northern on non Thameslink services. I was not aware that they had already started working on GN. Plus, if they have, where are they hiding (or going to hide) the 317s, 321s and 365s ?.

EDIT :- Der, I just found this thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133407 , now to find time to read !.

I'll summarise:

Okay trains if used on the right services, and of sufficient length. Which is rarely the case.

First class in a dumb position with incorrect signage, with many people just using it as normal - and RPIs caught in the middle of showing discretion because they think it's madness it being like it is, and dishing out penalties.

PIS issues. Some stations not announced, no recording for Great Northern but recordings for other TOCs going back as far as 'one'.

Ironing board seats (although obviously these aren't different to when on TL).

And then recycle through the above over and over (of which I must admit I am very guilty of myself).

 

[Class377/5]

Hold on I thought the 387/3's were C2C not Thameslink don't you mean 101/102 and 103/104

Nope. No such thing on Thameslink as a 1xx diagrams.

That'll be diagram numbers, not unit numbers

Yes.

So where have all the Thameslink 387/1s gone to ?. I know they will end up on Great Northern on non Thameslink services. I was not aware that they had already started working on GN. Plus, if they have, where are they hiding (or going to hide) the 317s, 321s and 365s ?.

EDIT :- Der, I just found this thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133407 , now to find time to read !.

Come the middle of next week, GN will have 28x 387s with the final one, 387124 on loan to GatEx.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Thanks Class377/5 and jonmorris0844. I have not, yet, found the needles in the 387 to GN thread.

It all seems so sudden although I vaguely recall it was stated ages ago that the 319s would not be first to leave. So is Hornsey bulging at the seams or have some 317s, 321s, or 365s gone to store/elsewhere ?. I did read that GN will have a net gain of ten 4-car units.