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Looks like some units are not well:
- 09:45 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 11:11
Will be formed of 10 coaches instead of 5. This is due to a train fault.
- 09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:07
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 5. This is due to a train fault.

While the Windsor set was also reported as a single unit earlier. The 10 v 5 seems a bit odd at first, but probably boxing in a faulty cab or something? Something also conked out at Richmond yesterday evening, wonder what class that was?
 
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Does anyone know if there is a target date for all 458/5s to be in traffic?

I understand those formed only of gatwick express 460 coaches have been completed so now it is a case of inserting coaches into existing 458s?
 
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ml said:
Does anyone know if there is a target date for all 458/5s to be in traffic?

I understand those formed only of gatwick express 460 coaches have been completed so now it is a case of inserting coaches into existing 458s?
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Four of the existing 458 conversions are also complete and in London, out of those two are used for passenger service and the other two for crew training. There are more currently undergoing work.
 
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ml said:
Does anyone know if there is a target date for all 458/5s to be in traffic?

I understand those formed only of gatwick express 460 coaches have been completed so now it is a case of inserting coaches into existing 458s?
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No. The cabs are being modified so that the gangways match the ex 460 stock. Also the trains are being re-geared for 75MPH and the couplings are being changed to allow emergency coupling to 450/444 units.
 
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I believe they left the one as a ten, rather than splitting to a five yesterday, as there was a traction pack out on one of them, and it would have struggled, as the other packs do not compensate now (unlike 458/0)
 
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Forgot to post, 458520 was delivered this morning as 5X58 to Wimbledon. Extra coach is 74401.

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Edit: Apparently 458024 went up to Doncaster, move lookes like 08/01/2015.
 
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Driver@swt said:
I believe they left the one as a ten, rather than splitting to a five yesterday, as there was a traction pack out on one of them, and it would have struggled, as the other packs do not compensate now (unlike 458/0)
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Well thats a smart move, but then I suppose they are working at a higher setting now anyway.
 
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Temple said:
Forgot to post, 458520 was delivered this morning as 5X58 to Wimbledon. Extra coach is 74401.

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Edit: Apparently 458024 went up to Doncaster, move lookes like 08/01/2015.
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74401 should be in 458501, 74441 was to be in 458520. Something been swapped?
 
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458501 In service
458502 In service
458503 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458504 Wimbledon testing
458505 Doncaster
458510 Doncaster
458511 Doncaster
458020 Wimbledon testing
458024 Doncaster
458530 Wimbledon testing
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service
 
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Juniper Driver said:
I will keep an eye on this although i don't really know what the sequence should be.
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I doubt there's ever been a predictable sequence, firstly because the ex 458s don't seem to be being done in any sort of order, and more relevant is that the 30 additional TOS for the 458s are converted from 6 types of ex-460 source vehicle, all with different number ranges.
 
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74401 should be in 458501, 74441 was to be in 458520. Something been swapped?
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I'm curious, on what basis are you saying that 74401 should be in 501?

I have never seen an official list of what carriage should be in what unit, if there is one, and doubt I will. I've seen the unofficial list on abrail, but I do not know where they got that information from, although I'd assume it's not just made up. Wherever it was, it was noted after the first few arrived that different coaches were being put into different units than that plan. If the list on abrail was the actual plan, then yes it would seem that the order has been swapped or altered.

This post shows 74441 is in 503, so it couldn't be in 520.
 
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swt_passenger said:
I doubt there's ever been a predictable sequence, firstly because the ex 458s don't seem to be being done in any sort of order, and more relevant is that the 30 additional TOS for the 458s are converted from 6 types of ex-460 source vehicle, all with different number ranges.
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That is actually a good point.
 
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Temple said:
I'm curious, on what basis are you saying that 74401 should be in 501?

I have never seen an official list of what carriage should be in what unit, if there is one, and doubt I will. I've seen the unofficial list on abrail, but I do not know where they got that information from, although I'd assume it's not just made up. Wherever it was, it was noted after the first few arrived that different coaches were being put into different units than that plan. If the list on abrail was the actual plan, then yes it would seem that the order has been swapped or altered.

This post shows 74441 is in 503, so it couldn't be in 520.
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First iteration was all extra vehicles were to be 74461 upwards ie renumbered. Then numbers were to stay the same as above so you knew what type of car the donor vehicle.

74401 would have been in 8505.

Because of the delays I would assume it has changed due to the mileages of the recipient units so the Bogie etc mileages match as best as possible.

There is a sequence in that all the insertions were ex 460001 so far........
 
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Was a failure responsible for the cancellation of the 07:46 Feltham to Waterloo? I want my Desiro back. :(

The 07:35 before it was only 4 coaches too :roll:
 
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Was a failure responsible for the cancellation of the 07:46 Feltham to Waterloo? I want my Desiro back. :(

The 07:35 before it was only 4 coaches too :roll:
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458502 also missing the other half on the 2R05 0615 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
458531+458532 on the 2R11 0745 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
 
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First iteration was all extra vehicles were to be 74461 upwards ie renumbered. Then numbers were to stay the same as above so you knew what type of car the donor vehicle.

74401 would have been in 8505.

Because of the delays I would assume it has changed due to the mileages of the recipient units so the Bogie etc mileages match as best as possible.

There is a sequence in that all the insertions were ex 460001 so far........
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A listing was circulated around the time the project started (2 years or so ago?!), but its pretty much inevitable that the plans will have changed.

Can't recall the source of listing, fairly sure was published in one of the magazines.
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Based on original list (source unknown now!) and observations/comments on here, my listing of actual and projected formations of the ex 458/0s.

458501 74421
458502 74431
458503 74441
458504 74405
458505 74451
458006 74426
458007 74406
458008 74442
458009 74432
458510 74434
458511 74425
458012 74436
458013 74427
458014 74407
458015 74424
458016 74428
458017 74433
458018 74412
458019 74403
458520 74401
458021 74408
458022 74404
458023 74437
458524 74422
458025 74435
458026 74452
458027 74402
458028 74438
458029 74423
458530 74411
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And the ex-460 units, for completeness sake.
458531 67912 74418 74446 74458 67913
458532 67904 74417 74447 74457 67905
458533 67916 74413 74443 74453 67917
458534 67914 74414 74444 74454 67918
458535 67911 74415 74445 74455 67915
458536 67902 74416 74448 74456 67906
 
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Don't quite understand the concept of a railtour to celebrate trains being lengthened by one carriage, and repainted.

Perhaps LO are yet to organise one for their 378s...
 
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I think it is more to commemorate the passing of the most comfortable units off the Reading - Waterloo line.

It also isn't a simple carriage adding exercise - have you seen the new front end?

I'm going to miss them when they're gone. Much more comfy than the 450.
 
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