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Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by Class377/5, 29 Oct 2015.
Is there any where to find out what diagrams these 707s do TIA
I thought 707 and 458 drivers don't sign the Shepperton route.
Drivers just sign electric traction as a whole I believe. I certainly know some who do.
444s/450s are signed together. 458 and 707 training is separate. Crews across different depots work a variety of different routes and tractions. All the crews who sign Shepperton do, or eventually will, sign 458s and 707s.
Siemens contracted the PIS side of things to Televic who are a very respected company in the railway industry who have supplied PIS systems for a lot of stock throughout the UK, Europe and the Rest of the World with an excellent track record.
Most of the new CAF/Hitachi stock in build or recently delivered to the UK also has PIS by Televic:
It's safe to say that the 700/707 project has had it's problems, but Siemens didn't try and do it on the cheap or use a cheap supplier which suggests it's software issues or human error on programming them.
They're in squadron service, currently doing about 6 off peak departures an hour from Waterloo on the Windsor side if none are swapped out, so if you just hang around at Waterloo, Vauxhall or Clapham Junction you won't have more than a few minutes to wait to ride one.
Any news if 015 & 016 has entered traffic yet?
Is there a delivery tonight?
Saw a Yahoogroup posting saying there are two at Dollands Moor tonight; it appears it is 707 017 and 707 018 on the way.
Saw them together yesterday morning at Egham at about 11am, heading west. Don’t know the working, sorry.
Just had a look at Realtime, and it looks like it was 2S23, 0952 W’loo - Weybridge, running about 18 late.
No they were actually on a test run yesterday, (short notice so wasn't showing on RTT), I say that as I eyeballed it flying through Chertsey so I looked on the sig diagram and it said 5Q37.
2O47 16:31 London Waterloo to London Waterloo was listed as a diagram for a Class 707, however on Thursday using this diagram I had two 455/8’s and today I had 456010 and two 455’s. Does anyone know if a Class 707 has run this diagram yet since the December timetable change? Would be nice to have one on a regular basis alongside the other 455/456’s
I don't think that one has gone over to 707s yet, it will do once all units are in service.
707015 is definitely in service, had it on the 1511 Ashford-Putney today, I've not seen 707016 though.
Another one (or two) to look out for the next time I head up to London. Thanks Matt
On Sunday evening about 20:30 these two were in the shed at Clapham Junction next to each other fairly level with the opening (so easy to see).
Is there another delivery tomorrow night?
There’s a delivery currently at Dollands Moor.
Thanks. Sounds like the weekly Friday night deliveries are continuing. Presumably it is 707019 and 707020 this week?
I heard from a good source that the aim is to have all delivered and in service by the end of February.
That sounds right. SWR have made commitments to have all possible 10 car formations on the suburban main line by end of Feb. To do that they need to release a number of 455+455+456 diagrams from the Windsor lines and that requires the 707s.
Only 455+455+456 on the Windsor lines are the Kingston loop services which also serve the main suburban side. 455+455+456 cannot be used on other Windsor lines services as there are short platforms that need SDO. The lack of gangways on 456s is a further bar - 10-car trains on the Windsor/Reading/Hounslow loop services have to be 458 or 707 stock.
And as such, all 10-car 455/456 formations are in use now. There are a few more 10-car diagrams still to come on the Main Suburban routes, this is in the form of two 10-car 707 diagrams which are currently being covered by 8-car 455s.
The follow-up question is how do they resource the new timetable from December as they need extras sets, particularly when Waterloo-Windsor goes to 4tph, which will need 10 extra units. I know the 442s should come in, so does this indicate 450s being cascaded back to the Windsor lines again?
The increase is enough to be offset by 707s, which displace the 458s to Reading, leaving a 707/458/450 mix on Weybridges and 450s to go elsewhere I believe
The splitting of the Waterloo-Weybridge services may free up a few sets too. I'd imagine the Virginia Water-Weybridge shuttle will be 450s. I don't see how the timetable will work without the use of more 450s on the Windsor Side though. They will be freed up by the 442s too, so it all makes sense.
My emphasises to highlight a slight contradiction there? As an aside, could a 456+455+455 train have the 456 unit split up, so it would be a half 456+455+455+half 456? (Although, yes, the doors at the end of the two half 456s are passenger doors not non-passenger gangway doors.)
(Also, has the formation ever been 455+456+455?)
There's no contradiction- the lack of gangway on the 456 means that at an 8 car platform depending upon the formation the entire 456 could end up not at a platform, whilst with the 707 three carriages would be and so SDO allows passengers to disembark.
I'd have thought what you suggest could be made to work, and again due to effectively having 5 car units would work if SDO was included, although I'd bet there would be formations with one or both "456" cabs burried in the centra and the gangway 455 cabs to the exterior. Also half the resulting hybrid five car units would get a DMSO and half would get a DTSO. Could go completely mad and run them as 10 car fixed formation with all the 455 cabs effectively out of use... but there's no need.
455+456+455 not permitted in passenger service on SWR. Can have 456+456, 456+456+456, 455+456, 455+456+456 or 455+455+456.