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A posting on 'ukmodernemu' suggests there were four pairs of 710s out off-peak yesterday with another pair stabled at Chingford.



The person posting this information noted that the cleaners maintain a paper list of units in service which is visible at one of the platform ends.
I didn't note any stabled at Chingford - but i wasn't looking out for any.
 
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Just wanted to check for any recent updates - how many 710 diagrams are now on the West Anglia STP Monday-Friday schedule at the moment? And any news or developments regarding driver training?
6 pairs rotate 4 circuits weekdays, 3 on weekends.

Those being

121/108
120/119
103/105
117/107
124/102
123/129
 

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11 circuits, so 22 as all are required to be 8 car to aid social distacing.
Okay, so four pairs in use with two spare I take it. Around a third of the diagrams. What's current delivery and acceptance timescale for the remainder? Are all drivers trained now too?
 

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Okay, so four pairs in use with two spare I take it. Around a third of the diagrams. What's current delivery and acceptance timescale for the remainder? Are all drivers trained now too?
There isn’t a timescale. Training stopped at the halfway mark before this all kicked off which is where it remains. Hence only 4 circuits. Until anything significantly changes on guidelines from the government on workplace interaction, there wont be any real major developments for now. Could be tomorrow could be next year. Who knows.
 
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109/128 having another go at entering service today, managed a round trip so more successful than previous. Driver trainers look to be trundling around as well unless something is out on test.
 
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50/50 split 315 and 710 reached on diagrams this week, with the latter working the majority of services as one 315 diagram is AM peak only.
 

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710101 was taken from Old Dalby to Willesden yesterday.

Additionally, does anyone know what the unit no's are running up to for each subclass? I know the 4-car number ranges ran thus: 710256-273, and 710101-131, but there's a part of me that thinks only 30 710/1s are being ordered in the end, as 48 units were ordered and 101-131 + 256-273 totals 49. Perhaps 710131 was an anomaly?
 

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710101 was taken from Old Dalby to Willesden yesterday.

Additionally, does anyone know what the unit no's are running up to for each subclass? I know the 4-car number ranges ran thus: 710256-273, and 710101-131, but there's a part of me that thinks only 30 710/1s are being ordered in the end, as 48 units were ordered and 101-131 + 256-273 totals 49. Perhaps 710131 was an anomaly?
I think you’re right, the 30/31 anomaly is because there was originally planned to be a 25kV unit for Romford-Upminster, and it became an extra dual voltage unit during build, (about the time the extra 9 units were ordered). TfL said at the time the Romford unit was to be transferred to the DC Lines, and would be replaced by a retained 315.

I suspect numbers, eg as posted on Wiki, are still playing catch up, they were wrong early last year as discussed in this thread back then.
 

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710/1s go up to 710130. There isn't a 710131.


ARL scores for today for the 12 pairs in current TT

315
815/859 2T27
802/811 2T24
824/833 2U27
801/830 2D13
805/810 2T22

710
119/120 2T20
111/125 2T31
102/124 2U21
116/130 2D11
123/129 2T29
104/126 2U26
103/105 2D16
 

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102/124
121/108
117/107
103/105
123/129
120/119
109/128
104/126
130/116
125/111

All in use.

Only 5 8cars left to be delivered. Deliveries will stay in line with the trickle of trained drivers and whats possible to run based on the balance of staff.
 

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57310 delivered 710118 from Old Dalby to Willesden as 5Q72 today.
As I understand it, the following 4-car units remain to be delivered:
106
110
114
115
122
256
270
273
 

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Based on the post just above you would assume that the ratio is 60/40 split with the 60 being 710s. As a daily user of this line this would be a fair assessment
 

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Based on the post just above you would assume that the ratio is 60/40 split with the 60 being 710s. As a daily user of this line this would be a fair assessment
Thanks. I wasn't sure if 'in use' meant 'in use' all day or whether they were just being given the run-around periodically. That's awesome though.
 

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Today, with nothing shown as vice:

315
802/811 2U17
824/833 2T16
805/815 2T27
801/810 2D09

710
103/105 2U13
108/121 2U22
107/117 2T23
104/126 2T25
123/129 2D14
109/128 2D11
116/130 2U16
111/115 2T18
 
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Today, with nothing shown as vice:

315
802/811 2U17
824/833 2T16
805/815 2T27
801/810 2D09

710
103/105 2U13
108/121 2U22
107/117 2T23
104/126 2T25
123/129 2D14
109/128 2D11
116/130 2U16
111/115 2T18
There's a typo on the last line which should be 111/125.

Also, 112/101 were running around out of service, and 119/120 were parked in Orient Way sidings.
 

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Oh. So will they keep 1 or 2 315s to run the service or will 710s or maybe even 378s take over at some point?
All they ever announced was that one 315 would be retained, so that the one 4 car 710 could be moved to the DC lines. No explanation was offered about how it would be maintained, or any breakdowns covered.
 

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TfL have said that route will remain 315 operated, so I wouldn’t expect them to...
Their planned enhancement to the East London Line (from what I've read) requires 7 378s. They've ordered 6 710s for the Watford DC route, so the 7th 710 for Romford - Upminster will instead go on Watford DC and send the 7th 378 to ELL.

Aspiration is to introduce 2tph extra to Crystal Palace and 2tph extra to Clapham Junction. How they're planning to diagram the one platform at Clapham for 6tph I'm not entirely sure - I wouldn't be surprised if the additional 2 end up in the bay at Battersea Park.
 

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Aspiration is to introduce 2tph extra to Crystal Palace and 2tph extra to Clapham Junction. How they're planning to diagram the one platform at Clapham for 6tph I'm not entirely sure - I wouldn't be surprised if the additional 2 end up in the bay at Battersea Park.
I’d look the other side of Clapham Junction...

(If they ever happen).
 

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Their planned enhancement to the East London Line (from what I've read) requires 7 378s. They've ordered 6 710s for the Watford DC route, so the 7th 710 for Romford - Upminster will instead go on Watford DC and send the 7th 378 to ELL.

Aspiration is to introduce 2tph extra to Crystal Palace and 2tph extra to Clapham Junction. How they're planning to diagram the one platform at Clapham for 6tph I'm not entirely sure - I wouldn't be surprised if the additional 2 end up in the bay at Battersea Park.
The Original TfL explanation is somewhat different, eg as in post #758 of this thread. It refers to a total of 8 extra units for ELL/SLL. I‘d just go with the last official TfL explanation, until it’s ever re-issued...
 

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The Original TfL explanation is somewhat different, eg as in post #758 of this thread. It refers to a total of 8 extra units for ELL/SLL. I‘d just go with the last official TfL explanation, until it’s ever re-issued...
It may be 7 + 1 spare which is where I've got my wires crossed.

I’d look the other side of Clapham Junction...

(If they ever happen).
You'd think that would be even more unworkable than using Battersea Park bay. Imagine missing the train on Plat 1 and having to run all the way to 17 to catch the next one
 

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