Without wishing to sling the thread off course is there any reason for this?
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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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Halish Railway
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There's a discussion about changing the dates about when timetables are implemented here https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...december-chosen-for-timetable-changes.240578/
Thanks for the prompt reply!
Back to the topic at hand, the 810s won’t have buffet bars, but will have a trolley service and a cupboard to store the trolley. Since covid happened the contract terms had changed so not all services are covered by standard class catering now, only 90% of trains between 7am and 10pm with some gaps here and there. Chances are your 180 service was just one of the unlucky ones
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From the pictures I’ve seen, one of me coach has 2 windows blanked out, wonder if it is a small galley like on TPE units.
RailWonderer
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I've checked the latest timetable and it makes no mention of which services these will be, which is a shame. They treat it like an afterthought and their stance is to be grateful a train is running short formed and not cancelled.
WizCastro197
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I think it looks quite good, I think the altered nose design is rather interesting.
Jammy Dodger
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I hate that nose. On the 800-807's, they look great. Why did Hitachi have to ruin it!?
WizCastro197
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I don’t think it looks ruined, it looks interesting. We haven’t seen it with the nose closed yet so you might like it after.
Jammy Dodger
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Is there any reason why the nose has been modified? Given how much 800-807's have been ordered with the same nose, it's obvious it isn't a necessary requirement...?
Bletchleyite
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It's a shorter vehicle so a different design was needed. The nose isn't (it appears) quite as long as the 26m 80x nose. I quite like it to be fair.
QSK19
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I beg to differ. I think it looks great - as does the train as a whole. Looking forward to seeing and using these on my line. Opinions on looks are subjective, though.
TreacleMiller
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From what I understand they needed to save length, to drop it down from the 260m that it would if operating in a 5+5 mode.
Nose looks much more aggressive and the driver will have much better vision of the where the front end is compared to what we have in the 800s. Be interesting to see the cab layout.
Wyrleybart
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Is there still valancing to go on some of the cars ? They dont look "boxed in" like the existing AT300 series
Rick1984
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26m is a really long nose! (Sorry)
the sniper
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Each to their own, the 800-807s appear entirely bland/uninspiring to me. It looks like they put more effort into the 810.
irish_rail
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This is a fair point. The vision from the 800 cab is rather poor due to the long nose, but even more because of the ludicrously high desk (not to mention the thick block of carpet that sits completely blocking drivers view! Hopefully this is all remedied or improved for EMR
The vision from an 800 cab is perfectly fine, as for the ‘thick carpet’ as a driver it’s hardly noticeable.
irish_rail
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Hmmmm thats a matter of opinion. Case of a fatality near Plymouth this week and no one is sure which train hit the person. Why? Because frequently driving a class 80x you hear a bump at the last minute , and 99 percent of the time it is a bird that has flown out at the last moment giving a big bang. But because of the poor view from close up the driver cannot actually see what we are hitting. Countless times I hear the bang but haven't actual seen anything due to the poor visibility. I also assume you must be about 6ft 6 if you find the carpet doesn't get into your field of vision!
QSK19
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Yes, needed to be 24m length per carriage so that two units can fit on platforms at St Pancras.
The reconfiguration to reduce the units from the standard 26m length is that significant that the 810 is viewed as a brand new product (https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/d...rs-aurora-a-new-hitachi-product/58240.article).
Mordac
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That would beat even the Talgo "Duck" trains in Spain!
TreacleMiller
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The vision is absolutely fine, just got to judge the nose a fair bit more than a 91. Desk height and everything else is fine.
Killingworth
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I'm intrigued by the idea of carpet impeding the view. I'm sure others who don't drive the trains would love to see a picture of this strangely positioned carpet.
Techniquest
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Absolutely! Let's see what is being complained about!
sprinterguy
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A quick Google of 'Class 800 cab' indicates that there is a 'carpeted' section located centrally at the top of the console:
And in closeup here:
Bletchleyite
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I've always assumed that the purpose of said soft area is to protect the driver's head in the event of a collision? Though would an airbag be better?
Techniquest
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Who would maintain said lawn? Imagine the depot crew turning up with a mini mower!
I see what is meant by the carpet, definitely a useful feature should it ever be necessary, however that must be a bit irritating too!
TreacleMiller
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The A trains can be driven stood up and so can the 800. When you ask what it's for heard everything from it being a bit of protection for your head (nope) or somewhere to hold while stood - which is more believable.
Dont notice it really when driving, but a bit annoying when coupling up.
Dont notice it really when driving, but a bit annoying when coupling up.