They might try even harder if you blindfolded them. :roll::roll::roll:
They might try even harder if you blindfolded them. :roll::roll::roll:
If anything, not having yellow panels could encourage lookout staff to become more vigilant and alert, which isn't a bad thing at all.
They might try even harder if you blindfolded them. :roll::roll::roll:
Complete enthusiast speak, spoken only by someone that is only 'interested' in yellow panels because they want to see how a livery looks.
Has anyone on here been involved in an incident where a train was only spotted at the last second? If so, what happened and would a lack of yellow ends have meant that instead of only having a few seconds to get clear of the line, someone would have actually been hit?
Has anyone on here been involved in an incident where a train was only spotted at the last second? If so, what happened and would a lack of yellow ends have meant that instead of only having a few seconds to get clear of the line, someone would have actually been hit?
I guess the resistance is for something to change thats worked for a long time with no apparent reason why, its not like the yellow paint is any more toxic than any other shades.
We are resistant to change because decades of real life practical experience tells us that this is a very bad idea, and we don't like people who want to do things that may end up in us getting killed.
How many incidents have there been in which the yellow panel has helped to save a life?
There is a certain logic behind Harbornite's post - there is a tendency for people to take more risks when things are perceived to have been made 'safer'.They might try even harder if you blindfolded them.
We are resistant to change because decades of real life practical experience tells us that this is a very bad idea, and we don't like people who want to do things that may end up with us getting killed.
I guess many but its much easier to prove a negative.
There is a certain logic behind Harbornite's post - there is a tendency for people to take more risks when things are perceived to have been made 'safer'.
A classic example of this is a comparison of accident rates for Cirrus small aircraft equipped with emergency parachutes as compared with those that are not. Fatalities are significantly lower thanks to the parachutes, but the frequency of incidents that would require deployment of the parachute is higher. Pilots take risks that they wouldn't otherwise take because they know they have the parachute as backup if their skill runs out.
I'm not saying this to say that yellow fronts should be removed, but rather to give context to Harbornite's post.
Thanks. I don't think I've put my point across as well as I've could have done. I accept the need for yellow panels with the majority of stock that is in service today, I am just doubting the need for this legislation in relation to the latest rolling stock types that have high density lights.
You've been told on numerous occasions that they're fine on the straight, but in a heat haze and on a curve, they're not. :roll:
But in those instances, the trains probably had poor headlights and yellow panels were necessary. :roll:
There are situations where even the modern headlights do not work as well as normal, perhaps where due to a curve they are shining off into the fields. Or when bright sunshine causes heat shimmer and the beam from the light is bent, diffused, and just plain drowned out in the sunlight. In this case the same effects that distort the beam from the light, also distort the image of the front of the on coming train, with the yellow area changing shape and flashing in a very eye catching way. On an OHLE equipped railway the yellow end also flashes as the shadows of the OHL portals pass across it, which is again eye catching.
It is not broken, it costs almost nothing, so don't try and fix it.
What? Class 68's? :roll:
This is becoming tedious with you. You've been told from people who use the panels that they're still necessary.
There is one good thing about this discussion after weeks of guff from both sides we finally have something real on the impact (deliberate joke there) of the EU on our lives to consider as we try and decide which way to vote in the EU referendum.
I don't see anything wrong with having trials of trains without yellow panels.
There is one good thing about this discussion after weeks of guff from both sides we finally have something real on the impact (deliberate joke there) of the EU on our lives to consider as we try and decide which way to vote in the EU referendum.
It's worth noting that even though this is no longer a legal requirement, TOCs could choose to retain the panels regardless — the same way they carry out other safety activities that are not legally required.
IMHO if trackworkers believe the RSSB isn't a sufficiently representative body to make this decision, or has consulted the wrong people, or has basically just made a mistake, that should be addressed elsewhere.
I wonder who they did consult, certainly heard nothing myself although as a relative nobody that is perhaps not surprising. Presumably not any one who actually works on track, as those of us who stand in front of on coming trains for a living seem to be on the whole quite keen on its retention.
One thing is for sure, try and drive past me in a train with no yellow front and dodgy lights, and I am going to go straight into my French Army impression.
Perhaps they will consult staff in the areas where the TOC is planning to introduce trains without yellow panels? It's just a thought but it makes sense to me, we can't guarantee that the TOC's will actually want to ditch the yellow on their new stock because it's up to them to decide.
All of the TPE renders so far have had black fronted stock, so that'll be one of the first yellowless TOCs.CrossrailElizabeth Line will be another, as will GTR's new Moorgate stock.
Just to put my two pence in, standing on the sea wall at Dawlish this morning, I could see the lights on the HST pulling out of the station before I could see the yellow panel on the front, and that was with me knowing it was there and looking for it, and that is as close to where P-Way guys are going to be as I'm likely to get. I also could see the dark outline of the train much before either of these, maybe what we need is dark colours, with hi-vis reflective speed whiskers!