EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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  1. nidave

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    Are you serious? MPs saying we should stop all trade with them to let them starve (while forgetting we import more food from ROI than we export to them) so they will give up the border.
    Telling Ireland to rejoin the UK so it doesn't have to be a member of the EU
    N. Ireland.
     
  2. Howardh

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    There are carers who come daily for mum and seriously don't have a clue about Brexit. It's not on their radar. Big Brother, Strictly, Kyle...experts. Politics? nothing. Yet they think they can carry on having holidays just the same, expecting european food in the supermarket....they are in for a shock.
     
  3. DynamicSpirit

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    When have MPs said we should stop all trade with Ireland and let them starve? Which MPs? That seems highly unlikely. Can you provide a reliable source?
     
  4. Ken H

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    because Labours tactic in the commons is to do everything to shaft the tories rather than doing whats best for the UK. They think that by shafting mays deal there is a chance there will be an election and they will form the next government.
     
  5. A Challenge

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    Latest vote from the House of Commons

    Request EU agreement for Brexit delay:
    Aye: 412
    Noe: 202

    Majority 210 (for)

    We are now less likely to leave the EU on the 29th March, increasing uncertainty.
     
  6. FelixtheCat

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    Those Amendements in Full:

    Wollaston - Call for a 2nd Referendum: REJECTED by 249 (334 to 85)
    Powell - Extend Article 50 Deadline to 30th of June: REJECTED by 3 (314 to 311)
    Benn - MPs take control of the Brexit Process: REJECTED by 2 (314 to 312)
    Labour - PMs deal & No Deal rejected, extension to Article 50: REJECTED by 16 (318 to 302)
    Government - If PMs deal is not passed, extension to Article 50: PASSED by 210 (412 to 202)
     
  7. Ken H

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    because ending free movement was probably a major factor in many voting to leave. Especially in the old labour heartlands up North
     
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    As opposed to the Tory tactic which is to do everything possible in order to shaft the UK. Everyone in that building is shafting the UK whether it be Tory, Labour, Klingon, Ewok.....
     
  9. Ken H

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    Thats the UK parliament ignoring the will of the people in a referendum the same UK Parliament allowed so long ago
     
  10. FelixtheCat

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    There is no mandate to leave the EU without a deal.
     
  11. EM2

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    Yet areas with the most immigration voted to Remain, with those with the least voted to Leave.
     
  12. Ken H

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    I have heard that Spanish hospitals wont accept EHIC. They want paying and leave you to reclaim from the NHS later.

    and to be gloomy, repatriation meand both when you need an air ambulance because you are too ill for a commercial flight, or you need to come back to the UK in a box - which is very expensive.
    Even repatriating ashes costs a shedload of cash.
     
  13. FelixtheCat

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    From where?
     
  14. Ken H

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    it was made clear that 'leave the EU' meant leave the single market, the customs union, the jurisdiction if the ECJ and ending freedom of movement at the time of the referendum.
     
  15. Ken H

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    Look at Ed Millibands seat. Plenty like that in t'grim north.
     
  16. FelixtheCat

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    Not all of those were clear. (Single market, customs union mainly.)

    During the campaign, no deal was dismissed by the Leave campaign as part of "project fear".
     
  17. EM2

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    It really wasn't.
     
  18. nidave

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    How about this
    https://www.herald.ie/news/starve-t...ng-tory-sparks-furious-backlash-37606031.html
     
  19. Jonny

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    The worst thing is that this clears up precisely nothing whatsoever. There seems to be even less appetite for a second referendum than there is for a no-deal Brexit. Why are the EU insisting on so many terms that don't apply to trade deals with countries such as Japan?
     
  20. nidave

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    Let's remind ourselves of what we were told about brexit shall we...
    "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market" - Daniel Hannan MEP

    "Only a madman would actually leave the Market" - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

    "Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing" - Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

    "The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people" - Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

    "Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK" - Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

    So nope - you are lying - it was not made clear.
     
  21. simonw

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    What terms are the EU insisting on?
     
  22. Jonny

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    Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be very careful what he wishes for... My view is that the threat of negative consequences for Ireland will be enough to get a good agreement for Britain, unless the EU can find enough ships to bypass the UK with goods from Continental Europe directly to Eire.
     
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    The EU-Japan agreement, as I understand it, is basically a free trade agreement, with no free movement and no influence of one on the other's legislation. Why can't Britain have the same?
     
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    We haven't even reached the stage of negotiating a trade agreement with the EU, so any comparison with the EU-Japanese FT agreement is comparing something that exists with something that doesn't exist.
     
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    Because it's *only* a trade agreement.
     
  26. Ken H

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    why cant we have the same as canada?
     
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    Because the Government have ruled it out.
     
  28. nidave

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    You know the EU will help Ireland though this. The UK government is screwing over most of the UK just to keep the Conservatives in power.

    France and Ireland are well underway with plans for direct routes to Ireland skipping out the UK
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-irish-freight-traffic-after-brexit-1.3708174
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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/port-creates-capacity-for-no-deal-brexit-70kbhc208
    Unlike the UK with seabourn freight - this is happening plus there are ships available.


    Plus the zero checks promised on the NI/ROI border - smugglers paradise has been agreed by Westminster .
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ni-could-become-wild-west-125533554.html

    So much for taking back control. Plus WTO has far more rules than we ever had to follow with the EU
     
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  29. Howardh

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    Why can't we have the same deal as Britain currently has, which looked a darned good one? Oh, no, because we've thrown it away and replaced it with next to nothing.
     
  30. simonw

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    We can, if and when we get around to negotiating a free trade deal with the EU and they are amenable and we are amenable. However FAT do not equate to free access to the single market and still mean customs checks etc. See the North America Free Trade agreement and then look at the queues at the Mexican and Canadian borders.
     

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