EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Johnuk123]

If/when Scotland goes independent, and I chose to move there, would I be a migrant, immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker?

Do you think you'd be granted refugee or asylum status from here ?

You'd just be an immigrant, don't worry Sturgeon probably won't win a 2nd referendum anyway that's if she ever gets one.

Wee Jimmy is on tv now moaning that the referendum isn't technically democratic because it went the wrong way.

 

[northwichcat]

If/when Scotland goes independent, and I chose to move there, would I be a migrant, immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker?

The Scottish parliament would have to decide on the rules but you won't be a refugee or asylum seeker unless things go very wrong in England!

For me if I go to the Republic of Ireland then I'm going to the place of one of my grandparent's birth, yet I don't have any connection with Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland

 

[Gutfright]

With all these people saying they're going to live abroad, maybe young people will finally have a chance to get on the housing ladder?

 

[St Rollox]

Do you think you'd be granted refugee or asylum status from here ?

You'd just be an immigrant, don't worry Sturgeon probably won't win a 2nd referendum anyway that's if she ever gets one.

Wee Jimmy is on tv now moaning that the referendum isn't technically democratic because it went the wrong way.

Don't worry, we're still here.
All those Scottish Labour MPs can fight for the union.
Hold on, there is only one of them left.

 

[northwichcat]

With all these people saying they're going to live abroad, maybe young people will finally have a chance to get on the housing ladder?

But what if all the Brits abroad start coming home because they can't get visas to remain where they are?

 

[St Rollox]

What do you mean?



I know - the last time I was wrong was never
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The Scottish leadership would have to call for another referendum which would take about a year to set up, campaign and so on... Unofficial questioning indicates that the Scots would likely vote to remain part of the UK

Lot of angry folks in Scotland this morning.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Lot of angry folks in Scotland this morning.

So no change there then?

 

[Cambus731]

I voted remain, but I do now wonder if this has possibly made it easier for a future Labour or Labour led Government, to renationalise the passenger railway. And I do wonder if this has made TTIP less likely now? or is TTIP still inevitable?

Please Labour ditch Corbyn and get Burnham in as leader

 

[Domh245]

Please Labour ditch Corbyn and get Burnham in as leader

Speak of the devil:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36621777

Two Labour MPs have submitted a motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
Margaret Hodge and Ann Coffey confirmed the move in a letter to the chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

People are reporting the UK could be as bad off as we were in the 30's after the stock market crash

If, as they say, history repeats itself, we're in for a few years of kicking the Germans into touch and a navy with 59 aircraft carriers - something I can't help but like!

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Joking aside, I think the markets are reacting in their own way and we'll see things get back to normal within a few days... Certain a couple of weeks. The main to figure out is will Article 50 be invoked or will the EU choose to put into place the measures won by our PM and thereby keeping us in?

 

[Gutfright]

But what if all the Brits abroad start coming home because they can't get visas to remain where they are?

What if we don't let ourselves get carried away?

I could understand all this hysterical Chicken Little nonsense before the referendum, as there was a chance that their scaremongering tactics could frighten people into voting remain.

But what good is all this doom and gloom I'm seeing actually doing now? All it does is make people unhappy.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

But what if all the Brits abroad start coming home because they can't get visas to remain where they are?

Banks will be worried as all the armed robbers will come back from Spain

 

[jon0844]

Speak of the devil:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36621777

Doesn't help that Corbyn's lack of support means most local councillors campaigned for leave, and were incredibly successful. Higher than national average for turnout and leave votes.

 

[Howardh]

I'll vote Labour - for the first time ever - if there's a General in the next 4 months and Corbyn's replaced.

Meanwhile - how's this for an escape route and to keep Scotland?

Now - October,
Brexit put on hold while everyone (including McSturgeon) settles down.
New Tory and Labour leaders, General Election in October.
Winners of GE to forward a negotiating squad.

October 16 - June 17.
Round table talks with the EU. We have the money, they want it. Will they accept a significant reduction in our membership charges and give us some border control back - in order to keep us in the EU or to remain as an "EU Partner," with some but fewer voting powers? If so, the new government has the power to trump the referendum result and accept that, and we carry on part-EU. Or simply offer another referendum in October '17.

October '17; we vote for the "New Deal" and McStugeon calls off the Scexit referendum.

May '18 we have a second and final General Election and elect a government to steer us throught the next five years.

 

[Gutfright]

Meanwhile - how's this for an escape route and to keep Scotland?

Now - October,
Brexit put on hold while everyone (including McSturgeon) settles down.
New Tory and Labour leaders, General Election in October.
Winners of GE to forward a negotiating squad.

October 16 - June 17.
Round table talks with the EU. We have the money, they want it. Will they accept a significant reduction in our membership charges and give us some border control back - in order to keep us in the EU or to remain as an "EU Partner," with some but fewer voting powers? If so, the new government has the power to trump the referendum result and accept that, and we carry on part-EU. Or simply offer another referendum in October '17.

October '17; we vote for the "New Deal" and McStugeon calls off the Scexit referendum.

May '18 we have a second and final General Election and elect a government to steer us throught the next five years.

Sounds ok to me but do we really need three general elections in three years?

 

[Howardh]

Sounds ok to me but do we really need three general elections in three years?

We had them every six months at some point in the the 70's! Yes, I get your point, the third may be unnecessary - I suppose it depends on how the negotiations progress and the make up of Parliament (ie coalitions esp with the SNP).

 

[Butts]

Lot of angry folks in Scotland this morning.

Yes the failure to qualify for Euro 2016 still rankles

Fair play to Sturgeon she was quite magnanimous about David Cameron in her speech at Bute House this morning. The first time I have heard her be complimentary about him.

 

[Geezertronic]

Fair play to Sturgeon she was quite magnanimous about David Cameron in her speech at Bute House this morning. The first time I have heard her be complimentary about him.

They are all playing the game with that one, I doubt her personal opinion is the same as her public opinion

 

[Howardh]

Wee Jimmy is on tv now moaning that the referendum isn't technically democratic because it went the wrong way.

Wait a minute...what's this? Farage "disowns" the £350m NHS pledge? How come he's saying that now and not on Wednesday?
Me thinks had the public been aware that the Leave campaign disagreed amongst themselves over this (it was on the "official" leaflets etc) would they have voted to leave? Farage said he "never said it" - but did he ever say it simply wasn't true?
Can it all end up in court? Has the public been hoodwinked??

 

[Tetchytyke]

Wait a minute...what's this? Farage "disowns" the £350m NHS pledge? How come he's saying that now and not on Wednesday?
Me thinks had the public been aware that the Leave campaign disagreed amongst themselves over this (it was on the "official" leaflets etc) would they have voted to leave? Farage said he "never said it" - but did he ever say it simply wasn't true?

Farage, of course, was disowned by the "official" leave campaign, and had nothing to do with the "official" leave campaign bus that said they were going to spend £350m a week on the NHS. Michael Gove and Boris Johnson were in the "official" campaign though.

I think a lot of people voting Brexit as a "wake up call" or as a "protest vote" are going to be in for a very rude shock.

New Tory and Labour leaders, General Election in October.
Winners of GE to forward a negotiating squad.

There can only be an early General Election if there is a vote of No Confidence passed against the current government or 66% of MPs vote for an early General Election. The change of Conservative Party leader makes no difference.

 

[Mvann]

Howardh. I think that's what most people were pinning there hopes to. A leave vote being sent as a wake up call to Europe. The only problem is what happens if the Netherlands and France follow suit

 

[LexyBoy]

No-one really believed that the NHS would get extra money did they? Leaving aside that the £350m is a lie in the first place, and that that figure equates to only about 0.5% of GDP (i.e. will be wiped out by the recession), Farage has made his views on the NHS known and they align with those of the Tory Brexiteers:

I think we’re going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently. I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare.

Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us.

 

[Antman]

Wait a minute...what's this? Farage "disowns" the £350m NHS pledge? How come he's saying that now and not on Wednesday?
Me thinks had the public been aware that the Leave campaign disagreed amongst themselves over this (it was on the "official" leaflets etc) would they have voted to leave? Farage said he "never said it" - but did he ever say it simply wasn't true?
Can it all end up in court? Has the public been hoodwinked??

I mean it's not as if Dishonest Dave has been hoodwinking the public is it?

But hey, you just keep clutching at those straws!

 

[Johnuk123]

Howardh. I think that's what most people were pinning there hopes to. A leave vote being sent as a wake up call to Europe. The only problem is what happens if the Netherlands and France follow suit

Happy people in both countries I should imagine, are you saying if they have a referendum and vote out they have done something wrong, aren't they entitled to decide they've had enough.

Bitter Polly Tonybee on BBC, full of hate and loathing and giving Corbyn a right good kicking, soon turn don't they.

 

[Antman]

Howardh. I think that's what most people were pinning there hopes to. A leave vote being sent as a wake up call to Europe. The only problem is what happens if the Netherlands and France follow suit

It's probably the beginning of the end for the EU.

 

[Tetchytyke]

No-one really believed that the NHS would get extra money did they?

Yes, lots of them did. You saw a lot of Vote Leave campaign people also waving "save the NHS" placards.

There's going to be a lot of people very upset when they realise that Surrey Stockbroker Nigel Farage isn't one of the people.

 

[Howardh]

Howardh. I think that's what most people were pinning there hopes to. A leave vote being sent as a wake up call to Europe. The only problem is what happens if the Netherlands and France follow suit

If they do, and their referendum comes before the Scots, and they leave - then the EU as we know it today is buried and a Scots independence just to stay in the EU would be futile.

That's why I'm hoping everything will be put on hold whilst the volcano settles down and we see which way the tide is blowing.

It's now a case of who blinks first, but please, Nicola - hold your horses; your referendum could backfire. Same to McGuinness. This ain't over.

 

[WestCoast]

Scotland's position in this is interesting. It's clear that the Scottish electorate is once again out of line with the electorate south of the border. I wonder how Sturgeon will play this moving forward, and am looking forward to watching it unravel.

 

[Railops]

If they do, and their referendum comes before the Scots, and they leave - then the EU as we know it today is buried and a Scots independence just to stay in the EU would be futile.

That's why I'm hoping everything will be put on hold whilst the volcano settles down and we see which way the tide is blowing.

It's now a case of who blinks first, but please, Nicola - hold your horses; your referendum could backfire. Same to McGuinness. This ain't over.

Why would anybody English be worried if N.I./Scotland go their own way, if that's what they want then fine that's what should happen.

 

[ExRes]

If the EU is such a wonderful institution and we've made a terrible error in voting to leave it, then why would people consider it to be a 'problem' if the Netherlands, France and any other member state follow suit?