DynamicSpirit
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Which every child over the age of 6 knows they can't do if no-deal is off the table. You can't negotiate if the opponent knows you have no choice but to take whatever they offer. Why do remainers persist in thinking everyone else doesn't see understand this patently obvious lie?
That theory only works if you view the EU as some giant conspiracy that's out to force us to capitulate to their terms. Yet, as far as I can see, they've been negotiating throughout the process in pretty good faith, with the aim of trying to come to a mutually agreeable accommodation. Ironically, it's Boris Johnson's Government that appears to have put almost zero effort into negotiating... until Parliament voted to prevent no-deal on Oct 31st, which now means Boris actually has a motive to try to get a deal.
Well, again, we all know that will just mean Remaining because those who want to leave want to do so for different reasons, while those that want to remain are basically united. If there's more than one leave option then remain will be the largest share of the vote even if the leave options are in the majority - again.
Not at all. If there's more than one leave option, it's perfectly possible - and indeed, sensible, to use an order-of-preference voting scheme, in which people number their options in order of preference, and the choice with the lowest votes gets eliminated and those votes redistributed according to voter's next preferences, until one option has a majority.
so the Remain camp will insist that they won and if anyone objects on any grounds, they will throw their toys out of the pram
I'm trying to debate with you rationally and logically. If you could refrain from making these kinds of insulting comments, it would be much appreciated. They contribute nothing to the debate and just convey the impression that you are not interested in sensible discussion.
The alternative is that there will be one option for leaving on the paper which will be carefully picked to be as unpalatable as possible - this is the EU's standard operating proceedure for re-running votes that went the wrong way. Only lunatics will vote for that and, again Remain gets what they wanted - to overturn the democratic referendum decision.
You are being too cynical - and frankly, you plain wrong. The EU does not control national referenda - those are arranged and decided upon by national Governments. I'm afraid your comment "this is the EU's standard operating proceedure for re-running votes that went the wrong way" is factually wrong - and I would say fairly typical of the kind of false propaganda that many Brexit groups routinely put out about the EU.
But for clarity... if (as I hope) we have a 2nd referendum that allows us to choose between Remain and an definite, specific leave option that can be implemented immediately if the vote goes that way - then personally I'd be very happy in principle for the particular choice of Leave option to be chosen by pro-Brexit MPs (if there was some way of arranging that).
That's not an advantage, IMO. I understand why the hopeless LibDems liked the idea, they only look good for about ten minutes at a time every 20 years. This at least gives them a slim chance that the election will fall during that sliver of a window.
The hopeless LibDems??? Wow, you do like lacing your arguments with little insults, don't you! (And I'm not even a LibDem supporter). Besides, as I recall, the fixed term Parliament act wasn't a particular LibDem thing, it was more an agreement to make sure that the coalition Government would last, and supported enthusiastically by both the LibDems and the Conservatives - made at a time when the UK had no experience of coalition Governments, and there was huge concern that it could break up very quickly.