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Me too but from all the, chitter-chatterFrom post 28 on this thread
So how does this square with all the subsequent chitter-chatter about use on captive Leeds services. What am I missing?

Me too but from all the, chitter-chatterFrom post 28 on this thread
So how does this square with all the subsequent chitter-chatter about use on captive Leeds services. What am I missing?
No idea to be honest. I think people just post their own understanding, ideas, hopes or whatever. A couple of months ago there seemed to be an almost certain belief that more AT300/80x would be ordered...From post 28 on this thread
So how does this square with all the subsequent chitter-chatter about use on captive Leeds services. What am I missing?
It’s the track access application for VTEC (given away by the email address in it). Plans have obviously changed somewhat since then!From post 28 on this thread
So how does this square with all the subsequent chitter-chatter about use on captive Leeds services. What am I missing?
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I deleted it as it identifies the sender. It is an Aslef memo.
Up to ten sets to be retained to December 2023.
Up to 50 drivers recruited by December 2021.
Yet to be confirmed by the company.
Until a new track access application appears that should be the timetable that LNER are working towards. Despite being under OLR they’ll still have an SLC surely?It’s the track access application for VTEC (given away by the email address in it). Plans have obviously changed somewhat since then!
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I'd actually prefer a pacer to an azuma, I've done the settle to Carlisle on a 142 and suprisingly comfy.
Are they? Is it not simply that the ECML OLE was done to a tight budget and isn't as robust as it could be - hence more frequent dewirements than say the WCML, is it actually specific to 91s?
They would be 35 years old not 25 by then. The 91s did also get a heavy overhaul in GNER days when they were renumbered from 91/0 to 91/1December 2023 would put the sets at just under 25 years old, which seems still on the young side for an Electric set, but perhaps more reasonable given there will no full overhauls (a la HST) of the 91.
Retired friends of mine in the BR days say that the ECML was wired on the cheap. How true that is to be seen. However it does seem to occur more often on the ECML that the WCML.
So they are staying to 2023?
Not everyone has the same views on stock. So this is of no surprise!It amuses me to see all this nostalgia for the Mk IV coach, if you search on this forum going back a few years you will find numerous posts of people doing nothing but slate them. ...
The 90s could keep pace because their better acceleration offset their lower top speed on the ECML “stoppers”. I suspect the schedules are more, not less, demanding than the Edinburgh duties because of the number of stops.It makes sense to me to retain them on one route - I get the impression that the Leeds runs are a bit less demanding than the Edinburgh ones, as 90s don't seem to have too much trouble with timekeeping.
Most of my ECML runs recently have been HSTs or Azumas, but I took my first ride in a Mark 4 in a while a couple of weeks ago. It was definitely looking shabbier than I remembered them, but possibly this is a good opportunity to keep the best ones and free up some spares.
and Grand Union are also wanting 91/MK4 sets for a stirling -Euston service https://twitter.com/Richard_rail/status/1223900702621290497Lots of questions here... Some have already gone for scrap, so how does this decision affect open access operators who are planning to use them - TfW have got some already, but Grand Central also wanted them for Euston to Blackpool in May? And there was talk of a Cardiff service as well?
Two questions:
- Are we going to see seven carriage "mini IC225s" retained, or will they be retained?
- Has it been officially confirmed if they be confined to Leeds, Edinburgh, or both?
The vehicles that have gone for scrap are from sets that are being reduced in length for TfW/Grand Central. As you can only form up 30 (31 at a push) Mark 4 sets due to the number of TOE and DVT vehicles, there's no point in keeping vehicles sat in store for years that are not going to (indeed cannot) be used.Lots of questions here... Some have already gone for scrap, so how does this decision affect open access operators who are planning to use them - TfW have got some already, but Grand Central also wanted them for Euston to Blackpool in May? And there was talk of a Cardiff service as well?
Also - if they are run as short sets on the EDB service - how does that work? They’re usually really crowded??
i seen post of facebook grand union have confirmed it will be 90s not 91'sand Grand Union are also wanting 91/MK4 sets for a stirling -Euston service https://twitter.com/Richard_rail/status/1223900702621290497
Are you sure you're not thinking of Grand Centrals WCML services with their MK4s?i seen post of facebook grand union have confirmed it will be 90s not 91's