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Lumo (East Coast Trains) Class 803 Updates/Discussion

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Kite159 said:
Hopefully those seats will be better than the awful ones fitted to the TPE 397s, but from that first photo they don't look promising.
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Guess its just going to be a case of wait and see, try them out for yourself.
 
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Failed Unit said:
True. But the fact that it isn’t before 0700 is a big bonus.

likewise at the weekend going South i find the times better. The weekend was a pain as the connections on LNER were never the best. Going north it never put me off as a change at Newark isn’t too bad.

will see if the stop more post 2022 timetable restructuring. But the 1239 for me personally is a great time. With the 1545 from Edinburgh stopping as well, I will definitely give them a try for convenience.
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Good point, I was admittedly thinking more in terms of frequency but the actual timings are rather more convenient than the LNER offering.
 
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XAM2175 said:
That amount of recline looks far too much.
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Doesn't that depend on whether you are sitting back and relaxing or trying to work at the table? Aren't bolt upright seats one of the things people usually complain about?
 
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XAM2175 said:
That amount of recline looks far too much.
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I disagree. That looks a massive improvement on the bolt upright seats GWR passengers must suffer. Id take the seat on the 803 anyday, hopefully we may see something like that fitted on GWR eventually.
 
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JonathanH said:
Doesn't that depend on whether you are sitting back and relaxing or trying to work at the table? Aren't bolt upright seats one of the things people usually complain about?
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Even when I'm not trying to use the table I find that being reclined that far becomes very uncomfortable very quickly. My preference is a lot closer to the degree of recline found (or, perhaps, not found) in second class on the 397s.
 
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XAM2175 said:
Even when I'm not trying to use the table I find that being reclined that far becomes very uncomfortable very quickly. My preference is a lot closer to the degree of recline found (or, perhaps, not found) in second class on the 397s.
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The Fainsa Sophia is a very upright seat. I suspect most people will not agree with you.
 
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XAM2175 said:
That amount of recline looks far too much.
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I'm struggling to tell for sure. I think it's probably less than the original Mk 3 seats, which were a bit much. Either way it's definitely going to be better for my back than the bolt-upright IET ones. I'm a bit concerned about the winged headrests though - they look like real shoulder-diggers for anybody over about 5 foot 10.
 
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I'm struggling to tell for sure. I think it's probably less than the original Mk 3 seats, which were a bit much. Either way it's definitely going to be better for my back than the bolt-upright IET ones. I'm a bit concerned about the winged headrests though - they look like real shoulder-diggers for anybody over about 5 foot 10.
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Yeah, I do fear them being a bit like Mk2 "winged" seats which did impact with my shoulders more than a bit!
 
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XAM2175 said:
I fully accept that I'm in the minority on this, but I had hoped for a bit more of a compromise.
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But for a budget operator, competing with a government funded operator, there ain't much £££ room for fine tuning the product.
 
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I was also going to say that I think the seat pitching is a very bold move. I'm quite a small guy who actually finds Ashbourne seats comfortable (which I know is a VERY unpopular opinion), point being I can fit into any seat quite nicely and especially low pitched ones I find quite comfy, so these 803 seats would probably be great for me, but I would imagine a large number of people might not like them for the very same reasons.
 
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Leg room still looks good. Armrest looks very cheap and those wings are MASSIVE!
 
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takno said:
I'm struggling to tell for sure. I think it's probably less than the original Mk 3 seats, which were a bit much. Either way it's definitely going to be better for my back than the bolt-upright IET ones. I'm a bit concerned about the winged headrests though - they look like real shoulder-diggers for anybody over about 5 foot 10.
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I mean the amount of recline on the IC70 seats was rivalled only by a deckchair, so that's not really saying much.

But I will say, I have a much better time the more upright the seats. IC70s cause me physical pain after a short while, and whichever ones are in the majority of Chiltern's 168s (I think the cab end of the DMSO has different seats?) cause me to ache a bit on a long journey. The most comfortable seats I've found are the Grammer ones found in Desiros - the 2+2 variant on the 350s and 444s is perfect, but even the 3+2 on the 450s is plenty comfy enough for a longer journey
 
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mightyena said:
But I will say, I have a much better time the more upright the seats. IC70s cause me physical pain after a short while, and whichever ones are in the majority of Chiltern's 168s (I think the cab end of the DMSO has different seats?) cause me to ache a bit on a long journey. The most comfortable seats I've found are the Grammer ones found in Desiros - the 2+2 variant on the 350s and 444s is perfect, but even the 3+2 on the 450s is plenty comfy enough for a longer journey
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I'm the opposite. The uprightness of the IET seats is so bad that if I spend more than a couple of hours in them I end up with back pain for a couple of days.
 
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Does anyone have the car numbers and consist formation for these (car types)? Thanks for any information.
 
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Tony2 said:
Does anyone have the car numbers and consist formation for these (car types)? Thanks for any information.
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The Combined Volume gives:

803 001 as being formed:

841001 PDTS ( Pantograph Driving Tailer Standard )
842001 MS ( Motor Standard )
843001 MS
844001 MS
845001 PDTS

803 002 contains 841002, 842002 etc etc

Same pattern all the way through to 803 005.
 
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XAM2175 said:
Even when I'm not trying to use the table I find that being reclined that far becomes very uncomfortable very quickly. My preference is a lot closer to the degree of recline found (or, perhaps, not found) in second class on the 397s.
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I've just joined in on this thread, and having a look at the link posted from Twitter I have to say I'm in agreement with you here.

I did Glasgow Central to Preston on a 397 last October, and overall I have to say it was not a bad product. OK sure, it wasn't the most comfortable, but I've sat on worse. The first couple of times, admittedly, on GWR IETs I did find discomfort after a good while, but overall I don't actually mind those seats. By the time I've done Hereford to Paddington on one, I am certainly ready to get off but that's after 3 hours sat down if not more, so that's hardly a bad thing. I don't tend to sit anywhere for that long without moving around, not even in my armchair do I sit for that long without getting up!

Obviously I'll give the 803s a fair shout when I first get on one, I mean it could be great for all I know. The ears on the seats are a concern, but again I'll see how I get on with them at the time.
 
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Peter Mugridge said:
The Combined Volume gives:

803 001 as being formed:

841001 PDTS ( Pantograph Driving Tailer Standard )
842001 MS ( Motor Standard )
843001 MS
844001 MS
845001 PDTS

803 002 contains 841002, 842002 etc etc

Same pattern all the way through to 803 005.
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Thanks Peter, much appreciated.
 
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803002 is doing daytime test runs today, working the following trips:
5Q61 09:05 Darlington - Newcastle https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04021/2021-06-01/detailed
5Q62 10:03 Newcastle - London Kings Cross https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04022/2021-06-01/detailed
5Q63 13:45 London Kings Cross - Darlington https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K06021/2021-06-01/detailed

There are paths on RTT for further such trips tomorrow, which I would assume will also be an 803:

02/06
5Q62 10:34 Darlington - London Kings Cross https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K06020/2021-06-02/detailed
5Q63 13:45 London Kings Cross - Newcastle https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04023/2021-06-02/detailed
5Q64 18:18 Newcastle - Darlington https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04024/2021-06-02/detailed
 
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