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Northern Class 331: Initial diagrams

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Latest whispering I’ve heard is September introduction on the Leeds North West Triangle (Leeds/Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford) October for the 195s Leeds to Chester and Blackpool Nth and December on Leeds to Nottingham when they start running the connect route via Wakefield Westgate NOT Via Barnsley.
Obviously covers 195 Work too

Fingers crossed that this is somewhere close to the actual introduction. I wonder if initially the 331s will just straight replace the current 321/322 diagrams, or if 333s will move across to those and 331s take over from them?
 

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Fingers crossed that this is somewhere close to the actual introduction. I wonder if initially the 331s will just straight replace the current 321/322 diagrams, or if 333s will move across to those and 331s take over from them?
Where do you think the 333s will move over to when the 331s enter service?
 

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Where do you think the 333s will move over to when the 331s enter service?

Sorry I may not have been as clear as I should. What I wondering was if the 331s will take over from the 321/322 diagrams, or if the 333s would take over these 321/322 diagrams with the 331s then taking up the diagrams previously used by these 333s. Or in other words would the 331s be a direct replacement to the 321/322s, or there would be a kind of mini Triangle diagram cascade as it were.
 

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Sorry I may not have been as clear as I should. What I wondering was if the 331s will take over from the 321/322 diagrams, or if the 333s would take over these 321/322 diagrams with the 331s then taking up the diagrams previously used by these 333s. Or in other words would the 331s be a direct replacement to the 321/322s, or there would be a kind of mini Triangle diagram cascade as it were.
They'll be taking up the 321/322 diagrams most likely since the 333s are remaining on Triangle turns. Im unsure whether a 333 will take over the 322/321 diagram on the Leeds to Doncaster line yet.
 

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I mean, I would expect the planning of drivers, trains etc, and communication to customers to be more advanced than not knowing two weeks away
I'm sure that Drivers, Guards, station staff, ect know but they're not really allowed to tell people what routes they will be on (im pretty sure it's the same for the social media team too where they know the routes but they're not allowed to confirm it as they say that routes are yet to be confirmed on their Twitter). This is also an issue that @ainsworth74 pointed out a few days ago too. I myself Don't work for any TOC at all (Let alone Northern) But I think I can speculate what happens internally. In short I'm assuming that staff already know about the routes they are entering service on next but they aren't really allowed to tell passengers/customers and for all we know they could just be adding onto the fleet that run the existing services..
 

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Both of the Leeds - Doncaster diagrams are now 331s with 331109 being in service yesterday and today
 

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Both of the Leeds - Doncaster diagrams are now 331s with 331109 being in service yesterday and today
So 331109 has been added to 106, 108 110 for use on passenger service.
Leeds Doncaster needs 2 units all day plus a morning and evening peak extra which used to be a dmu stabled at Doncaster.
Use on the Triangle will depend on crew traning particularly at Skipton which has only recent received its 2 training units (a 3 car and a 4 car).
I hear the 333s are going through a bad patch so the 321/2's may be with us for a little while yet.
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They'll be taking up the 321/322 diagrams most likely since the 333s are remaining on Triangle turns. Im unsure whether a 333 will take over the 322/321 diagram on the Leeds to Doncaster line yet.

I'm hoping that's the case, as my regular connection from Gusieley into Leeds in the morning is booked as a 321/322.
 

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I've updated the opening post with what I believe are, therefore, the current diagrams for 331s. Is anyone able to confirm if this is still a 32x? It goes off to Skipton so I'm guessing it is.
 

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I've updated the opening post with what I believe are, therefore, the current diagrams for 331s. Is anyone able to confirm if this is still a 32x? It goes off to Skipton so I'm guessing it is.

It was yesterday, it ends up on the 1626 Leeds - Skipton which desperately needs a capacity boost
 

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It's not been clearly mentioned but Saturdays see at least one 331 out, or one was out two Saturdays ago (19th) anyway.
 

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Only one 331 out so far today, 331110 on the even hour departures from Leeds, 322483 on the odd hour departures.
 

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Only one 331 out so far today, 331110 on the even hour departures from Leeds, 322483 on the odd hour departures.
Scrub that. 322483 was on the 0759 departure from Doncaster, on arrival at Leeds this became the 08:54 to Skipton. The odd hour departures are in the hands of 331109
 

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Presumably 3-car 331s for Stoke to fit into the bay platform.
 
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