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I'd rather stand on a Pacer than sit on a Pacer...I'd rather sit on a Pacer than stand on something newer ...
I'd rather stand on a Pacer than sit on a Pacer...I'd rather sit on a Pacer than stand on something newer ...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...passengers-disruption-will-continue-until-may
Surely with a ''Horrendous' shortage of diesel trains at Northern, surely withdrawing Pacers should be left til the last possible moment now, with even maybe a request to extend the deadline? Surely this is common sense?
If Network Rail had stuck to their timetable, we would be running many more nice shiny electric trains by now.
That article states Northern has given away too many diesel units. I don't think a single unit has left, which should indicate the level of accuracy in the rest of the article. Its certainly not common sense to extend the deadline past the end of 2019 because of delays in early 2019. Unless you are you suggesting that Manchester-Preston won't be wired or that the 195s and 769s will not be in service by the end of next year?
I am not suggesting this- it just seems premature to be retiring rolling stock at a time when there are major shortages! If they have enough rolling stock by the end of 2019 then great. But if they don't, I hope they grant Pacers an extension rather than cancel and short form trains. Not an unreasonable position, surely?
That article states Northern has given away too many diesel units. I don't think a single unit has left, which should indicate the level of accuracy in the rest of the article. Its certainly not common sense to extend the deadline past the end of 2019 because of delays in early 2019. Unless you are you suggesting that Manchester-Preston won't be wired or that the 195s and 769s will not be in service by the end of next year?
Yes, it's Helen Pidd. But, I don't think calling her names is very pleasant.Isn't the 'professional journalist' responsible for this article the same lady who has been very publicly inciting Northern passengers to refuse to pay the increased fares from January? Dopey *** if so.
Tested, sure. But driver training??The electrification is finally close to completion and 195s are being tested, unless something goes very badly wrong there is no need to even consider keeping pacers past the end of next year.
Not even started yet!!Tested, sure. But driver training??
That article states Northern has given away too many diesel units. I don't think a single unit has left, which should indicate the level of accuracy in the rest of the article. Its certainly not common sense to extend the deadline past the end of 2019 because of delays in early 2019. Unless you are you suggesting that Manchester-Preston won't be wired or that the 195s and 769s will not be in service by the end of next year?
142026 missing seats today on Teeside Airport Train, looks like a couple of yobs have took them.
That article states Northern has given away too many diesel units. I don't think a single unit has left, which should indicate the level of accuracy in the rest of the article. Its certainly not common sense to extend the deadline past the end of 2019 because of delays in early 2019. Unless you are you suggesting that Manchester-Preston won't be wired or that the 195s and 769s will not be in service by the end of next year?
I agree the Pacers have to go. However as a regular traveller my concern is that once the 142s have gone Northern will start trumpeting the arrival of their new trains into service. I’m certain there’s plenty of unfulfilled demand and we’ll see a further large increase in passenger numbers. We’ve seen in London how improving the service can lead to incredible passenger growth, more than 100% on some London services, I suspect the same will happen further North.
Travelling from the West into Manchester most mornings the 4 car services are already full and need 6 cars. Same goes for peak services heading East in the evening. The infrastructure isn’t there to run more trains through central Manchester so longer trains are the only answer, maxed to available platform space. I just think that without extra capacity Northern are going to be in world of overcrowding pain in a couple of years, far worse than currently.
Is that one of the ones with original bus seats? If not it's likely the seats have broken (not necessarily through vandalism, it might be through wear and tear) and there aren't any replacements available so they have been removed but not replaced. A number of the 142s with bus seats have been like that for a few years.
No, it's one of the units that was refurbished by Northern Spirit with individual high-backed seating, so your broken seats hypothesis seems most likely.Is that one of the ones with original bus seats?
It's been quite some time since any buses were built with classic "bus bench" type seating... any survivors are probably in the hands of preservationists!You'd have thought they could buy an old bus to cannibalise.
It's been quite some time since any buses were built with classic "bus bench" type seating... any survivors are probably in the hands of preservationists!
It varied... I seem to remember the back seats often being two 2s with a single in between!Plus there were very few 3 seaters on buses. I seem to recall some Leyland deckers having a 3 seater at the very front of the top deck, around 3 single seaters near the stairs and then everything else was a 2 seater, except the back seats - were they 5 seaters or a 2 seater and a 3 seater together?
You'd have thought they could buy an old bus to cannibalise.
I'm sure there used to be some in service in Leeds with "bus seats" in around the early noughties. Perhaps there's one left in a depot for driver training somewhere.
So when they customers are told by the company that they put all available carriages into service at peak times... true but only to the point that they have drivers trained to use them. It's absolutely no use having large amounts of replacement stock sat on Edge Hill if you don't have a driver training plan.Not even started yet!!
It's been quite some time since any buses were built with classic "bus bench" type seating... any survivors are probably in the hands of preservationists!
First Huddersfield had some L reg buses with traditional bus seats in the noughties but by around 2006 they were mostly all replaced with newer buses with a newer style of seating. They also had one bus which had 4 sets of traditional bus seats on the top deck and the rest a horrible yellow plastic thing that I think was only fitted to one bus, so presumably some yellow plastic seats broke and they didn't have any more of the same to replace them. I think Yorkshire Traction and then Stagecoach Yorkshire had buses with traditional bus seats for longer but I think it's still quite a while since they were used.
L888??? I remember those, there were only eight as some Chinese investors bought them. As for spare parts, there's nowt wrong at doing some temporary repairs to the Pacer seats to make them last a bit longer or alternatively the withdrawn Pacers could be used to salvage spare parts to keep the others going for that bit longer.
At 1848 tonight there are 16 Norhtern services short formed, so...something
Agreed. The response to the shortage of DMUs (and indeed electro-diesels) was to convert EMU diagrams to DMU ones on Alderley Edge - Manchester just so they could run through to Wigan.There still seemed to be plenty of Pacers around today, including on Alderley Edge services which seems a complete travesty.
Agreed. The response to the shortage of DMUs (and indeed electro-diesels) was to convert EMU diagrams to DMU ones on Alderley Edge - Manchester just so they could run through to Wigan.
I am not aware of any reduction in pacer work having yet taken place - unless anyone can correct me on that?